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#76

Mikey, what exactly do you teach? Fingerpainting?

Posted: 1/31/12 at 8:32pm

Romantico, I want you to know that I am no longer going to respond to your posts. I feel it is really unfair of me to engage you in debate, and I will try to explain why.

This weekend, I took my two boys to the local family YMCA, where we are members. They like to play basketball, swim etc. On Sunday the Y closes at 4 pm, so we headed into the locker room to change, shower, steam etc, at around 3:35.

The YMCA has some volunteers who work for them who are in some way disabled. On this particular Sunday a familiar person around 23 years old with Downs Syndrome was working, and he kept coming into the men's locker room announcing loudly, "We're closed! Time to go! We close at 4!" etc. Everyone in the locker room knew that the Y was NOT closed, that we had plenty of time (nearly a half hour) and that there was no rush. Yet, no one said anything to this young man, no one argued with him, no one engaged him. They just ignored him. Not in a mean way; in an UNDERSTANDING way. They knew that he was just mistaken, that he probably could not read the clock in the locker room, and that they did not have anything to worry about.
And THAT was what got me thinking about YOU. It is really not fair for me to engage you in debate, as you clearly do not have the skills to participate in a LOGICAL, COGENT discussion about anything. You read things that are hard for you to understand, your comprehension skills are limited, your responses are nonsensical and illogical, and you make yourself look foolish in the process.

I was unaware of your deficiencies at first, but they have become very clear in the past few days. So, I will continue to respond to other posters if they ask me questions or try to engage in debate. I enjoy debating with people, so long as I am dealing with people who are capable.

So long, Romantico.
Mikey

#77

Mikey, what exactly do you teach? Fingerpainting?

Posted: 1/31/12 at 8:34pm

Cowards like you run Mikey,so go ahead.You had no answers,so you have been IGNORING THE FACTS SINCE DAY ONE. When I saw the words Down Syndrome in your pathetic post,I stopped.Yet another,"Insult those who don't agree with me" posts. When you have to go after people less fortunate than you to make your point and feel supier, I stopped right there. I am still going to counter your LIES.

LOL! Mikey trying to sound smart or even pretend he has any credibility is as convincing as me being a homophobe. The guy who agrees with Pat Robertson, Tony Perkins,Maggie Gallagher,and the other idiotic 'Christians' he defends and won't say a bad word about. Accuse me of being anti gay. No proof to offer, but Mikey backing up something he says is hysterical.The coward can't do it. Its like Rush Limbaugh accusing someone of being racist. The pot calling the kettle black.

Siny basically showed everyone how big of a LIAR Mikey is. Mikey claimed he has not insulted anyone. When I said anyone who disagrees with Mikey is a moron according to him, Mikey accused me of saying something that is not true. FACT IS, Mikey has been contradicting himself since his first post here. A bully who is also a coward. A Liar who claims he is not angry or obsessed. Meanwhile he has gone on and one about Saul Alinsky with a foaming at the mouth vendetta. Mikey is a joke and his breakdown has been hilarious. He cried victory and brags how he can win any debate with anyone. He LIES about how he has wiped the floor with someone where in fact he is the one who has done more to prove how big of a douche bag he really is. AN arrogant Tea Bag defender who blasts liberals for using Alinsky but has so far remained SILENT when confronted with THE FACT that Dick Armey and The Tea Party use the same book at their hate rallies.

Mikey won't bad mouth:

The Tea Party
Pat Robertson
Bryan Fischer
Maggie Gallagher
Tony Perkins
Cindy Jacobs
Rod Parsley
John Hagee
Peter LaBarbera

Instead, he has gone on and on and on and on about Bill Maher, Liberals, and of course, his biggest obsession, Saul Alinsky.

Mikey is not fair,passes OPINIONS OFF AS FACTS (I honestly don't think the moron knows the difference) And most of all, very angry. Your teenage kids must be embarrassed. I feel bad for them.

'There are three sides to every story. My side, your side, and the truth. And no one is lying. Memories shared serve each one differently' -Robert Evans-

Updated On: 1/31/12 at 08:34 PM

#78

Mikey, what exactly do you teach? Fingerpainting?

Posted: 1/31/12 at 8:51pm

"Obama learned his lesson well. I am proud to see that my father's model for organizing is being applied successfully beyond local community organizing to affect the Democratic campaign in 2008. It is a fine tribute to Saul Alinsky as we approach his 100th birthday." --Letter from L. DAVID ALINSKY, son of Saul Alinsky

"So, does that make Breitbart a COMMUNIST ???"

No. Nor did I ever say that Obama's link to Alinsky made HIM a COMMUNIST. (Careful there, Siny, you are wandering into Romantico territory.)

I think you changing your question after I successfully answered your first one is disingenuous and is veering off topic. It also has little to do with the point of my posts in this thread.
My point (again) is that Maher is trying to imply that there is little to no link between President Obama and Saul Alinsky. His reference to the Obama/Alinsky link as "specious" and sarcastically saying that Obama could not BFF Alinsky since he was 10 years old when Alinsky died, are efforts on his behalf to convince his audience that there is no connection between Obama and Alinsky. Of course, Maher KNOWS this is untrue. He KNOWS about Alinsky's best selling book, and Obama's other Alinsky connections. Maher COUNTS on his audience's ignorance. He KNOWS they will clap like a bunch of seals at just about everything he says.

I am not trying to say that Obama's connections to Alinsky make him a commie or anything else. I am simply saying THEY EXIST. You can draw whatever conclusions you like regarding those connections, but don't deny their existence as Maher tries to do.

#79

Mikey, what exactly do you teach? Fingerpainting?

Posted: 1/31/12 at 8:54pm

The Tea Party also uses the Saul Alinsky RULES FOR RADICALS but Mikey does not want anyone here to know that. He relies on everyone here being like a Fox News audience who just takes what ever the pundit says and dares not question it. Gee Mikey, why did you fail to mention that? Why focus ONLY on Bill Maher when the Republicans are also guilty of this so called crime you love to rage on about?

http://www.brennancenter.org/blog/archives_books/new_rules_for_new_radicals_the_tea_party_discovers_alinsky

So, Mikey where is your outrage? SO far you have been critical of Bill Maher, Liberals, Obama and the Democrats for their so called influence of Saul Alinsky yet you have been silent,even when it has been brought to your attention,when it comes to the Tea Party and the right wing using the dame tactics you criticize liberals for. That's hardly fair, isn't it?

http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/heather/hardball-alinskys-rules-radicals-being-use

You are deliberately withholding information and only focusing on the left. Your Obsession and HATRED towards Bill MAher says it all. Deny it all you want,but anyone with a brain just reading the venom you spew about the two shows you are a liar. You have been caught in lie after lie and then try and back pedal.

You: "He said this!"
Me: "Where did he say this?"
You: "He said this! Man, you are dumb!"
Me: "Yeah, I know. Where did he say this?"
You: "HE SAID THIS! Gee's! How can you be such a moron?"
Me: "Here is a direct quote from your post, no mention or source no link or anything saying he said this. Show me."
You: "Well, he didn't say it. God, you are dumb! But he did infer it! Its obvious he was thinking it!"

And this is how people like Mikey win arguments. They are never man or brave enough to say, I was mistaken. Sorry about that. You would be surprised how far something like that goes. Its like Rick Santourm saying he said 'blah people NOT black people'. They will say anything but NEVER admit they misspoke or got it wrong. It is beneath them.

So, when Siny or anyone else challenges you on your post and version of FACTS (LOL! Not facts. You can't even back up your BS!)will you insult them and call them dumb? You've been doing it all along so far,(and denying it even when your own post and quotes are re-posted, you still deny insulting anyone)

I've received several posts since Sunday from posters asking me to NOT continue to feed the troll.That's what you are thought of. You are a joke. A moron. A liar and coward yet you still come back spewing the lies you always spew. Every time you lie and pass it off as a fact,I'll be behind you with a shovel cleaning up your steaming mess calling you out.

'There are three sides to every story. My side, your side, and the truth. And no one is lying. Memories shared serve each one differently' -Robert Evans-

#80

Mikey, what exactly do you teach? Fingerpainting?

Posted: 1/31/12 at 9:22pm

But, Mikey, it's a very fair question, considering that whatever Obama-Alinsky link existed (as weak as at was) ended about 25 years ago. There is no such link TODAY. So, yes, Maher was right and you are just making excuses for the despicable smear campaign aimed at Obama.

#81

Mikey, what exactly do you teach? Fingerpainting?

Posted: 1/31/12 at 9:24pm

"Mikey, I'm sure you know more about Alinsky than I do, but none of the accounts of the proposed fart-in that I've read indicate that it was something he was foisting on black people."

Here is Alinsky talking about the "fart-in" in Playboy Magazine's interview with him, where he specifically mentions using "100 black people":

"Another idea I had that almost came to fruition was directed at the Rochester Philharmonic, which was the establishment's -- and Kodak's -- cultural jewel. I suggested we pick a night when the music would be relatively quiet and buy 100 seats. The 100 blacks scheduled to attend the concert would then be treated to a preshow banquet in the community consisting of nothing but huge portions of baked beans. Can you imagine the inevitable consequences within the symphony hall? The concert would be over before the first movement -- another Freudian slip -- and Rochester would be immortalized as the site of the world's first fart-in."

Alinsky Playboy interview

#82

Mikey, what exactly do you teach? Fingerpainting?

Posted: 1/31/12 at 9:26pm

Mikey once again proven to be a liar and discredited. Give it up sweetie. Its just getting sad now.

'There are three sides to every story. My side, your side, and the truth. And no one is lying. Memories shared serve each one differently' -Robert Evans-

#83

Mikey, what exactly do you teach? Fingerpainting?

Posted: 1/31/12 at 9:26pm

Can I ask one more time what, precisely, is the problem with Obama's having read Alinsky?

And if, in fact, this is all about Bill Maher, and what influence HE thinks Alinsky may or may not have had on Obama, then who gives a sh*t?

This is beginning to seem like one of those threads by that unfortunate person who was so obsessed with Joy Behar and thought she represented some sort of totem for liberals.

#84

Mikey, what exactly do you teach? Fingerpainting?

Posted: 1/31/12 at 9:36pm

But, Mikey, it's a very fair question, considering that whatever Obama-Alinsky link existed (as weak as at was) ended about 25 years ago."

I don't think the link was weak at all. Obama writing a chapter in a book about Alinsky's tactics? Obama participating in an 8 day intensive on Alinsky's methods? Obama then teaching the methods to others? And he taught those measures as late as 1992 at the University of Chicago (where he may have been teaching them right up to his campaign for President).
And I disagree with you about the fairness of your question as well. You asked me to defend the "smear" campaign against Obama regarding his connections to Alinsky. I then provided you with quite a few connections between Obama and Alinsky, and you respond with, "Yes, but that was soooo long ago." When I provided you with the evidence you asked for, you then changed the criteria of your question. Suddenly you added some arbitrary timeline.
BTW, did you see the quote I used from Alinsky's son? He is crediting Obama for using his dad's tactics in the 2008 campaign. That was hardly 25 years ago.

#85

Mikey, what exactly do you teach? Fingerpainting?

Posted: 1/31/12 at 9:41pm

Yet Mikey fails to mention The Tea Party and the right wing's links to Alinsky.

Opinions,opinions,opinions.

'There are three sides to every story. My side, your side, and the truth. And no one is lying. Memories shared serve each one differently' -Robert Evans-

#86

Mikey, what exactly do you teach? Fingerpainting?

Posted: 1/31/12 at 9:43pm

"Can I ask one more time what, precisely, is the problem with Obama's having read Alinsky?"

Again, I am trying not to draw conclusions about the connections (though I suppose folks can guess what I think of them!). YOU can draw your own conclusions, be what they may. However, I am saying there IS a connection. The connection IS there.

"And if, in fact, this is all about Bill Maher, and what influence HE thinks Alinsky may or may not have had on Obama, then who gives a sh*t?"

I don't know. I didn't start the thread!!

However, I think an equally fair question is, if there is NOTHING wrong with Obama's Alinsky connection, then why does Bill Maher (and CNN in a report they did earlier this week) try so hard to pretend there IS no connection? Does Maher and CNN think there is something wrong with an Obama/Alinsky link?
Some might conclude that they do.
(Though that would be an OPINION!)

#87

Mikey, what exactly do you teach? Fingerpainting?

Posted: 1/31/12 at 9:46pm

Mikey STILL can not explain his own bias. Why do liberals,Bill Maher,etc. get hell for Alinsky but the people from Mikey's own party get a free pass. Mikey keeps dodging the question because he can not answer it.If he could he would. If not to answer me then to answer others who have asked. Mikey is full of it AND HE KNOWS IT!

'There are three sides to every story. My side, your side, and the truth. And no one is lying. Memories shared serve each one differently' -Robert Evans-

#88

Mikey, what exactly do you teach? Fingerpainting?

Posted: 1/31/12 at 9:57pm

Mikey, I think you raise an excellent point. I think Democrats have been unnecessarily on the defensive about issues like this. I for one believe that not only is there nothing wrong with having read and absorbed whatever one absorbed from Alinsky, it's admirable. And, as I've pointed out, many, many Republicans and other right-wingers agree.

And yet Democrats let themselves be put on the defensive time and time again. And I think it's time they stopped. E.g.:

Q: Are you saying this country shouldn't be run via limited readings of Judeo-Christian dogma?

A: Yep (and so does the Constitution).

Q: Are you saying that every American should be afforded the same rights as all others, despite their sexual orientation?

A: You betcha.

Well, you get my drift. The sooner we upend these attacks (and you're smart enough not to pretend they're anything else) by responding "Yes, and?", the better.

Updated On: 1/31/12 at 09:57 PM

#89

Mikey, what exactly do you teach? Fingerpainting?

Posted: 1/31/12 at 10:01pm

Mikey, of course Alinsky's son would credit his father for Obama's success. Why not ride Obama's coattails, right ? It's pretty funny that you think that it proves your point.

And I actually tried to research your claim that Obama taught Alinsky's methods right up until 1992. Try as I might, all I could find was various fringe sites parroting the claim, but not giving any dates or locations. So, the claim is not credible.

So, yes, Obama may have been taught the rules, he might have even been teaching the workshops, but that was in 3 years that he was a community organizer. Which was 25 years ago.

So, yes, there is no link, but there is a smear campaign. Just like i said.

#90

Mikey, what exactly do you teach? Fingerpainting?

Posted: 1/31/12 at 10:01pm

And, conversely, the sooner the right stops erecting these straw men and painting them red in the hope that they'll frighten some uninformed voter, the better, too.

#91

Mikey, what exactly do you teach? Fingerpainting?

Posted: 1/31/12 at 10:04pm

"And, conversely, the sooner the right stops erecting these straw men and painting them red in the hope that they'll frighten some uninformed voter, the better, too."

That's all they've got. That's their whole case against Obama.

#92

Mikey, what exactly do you teach? Fingerpainting?

Posted: 1/31/12 at 10:30pm

This whole thread gives me a headache.

I am still not sure what "affiliations" Obama has except that he, like many others on both side of the aisle, have learned from the political activities of those before them.

If you are going down the route of "affiliations", are we going to look at each President of the Harvard Law Review and claim Obama has all of their views and positions - because that honestly seems like a much closer connection than a Alinsky. Many on the left would argue that Obama's health care plan is almost Nixonian, so is that an affiliation as well? He kept on Gates as his Secretary of Defense, what does that affiliation say?

If Saul Alinksy's name was Steve Adams, I seriously wonder if this dog whistle would be blown. I honestly think not. It is one more attempt to paint Obama as the terrible awful outsider who somehow does not belong. It mirrors the ridiculous birther rage, the teleprompter meme, the Czar hypocrisy, and the "Show me your Transcript" demand from Romney's kid. All if it is used to undermine Obama as being an authentic American, and all of it is used to send signals to the base that "he is not one of us." Lee Atwater and Karl Rove have taught today's GOP well.

#93

Mikey, what exactly do you teach? Fingerpainting?

Posted: 1/31/12 at 10:32pm

"And, conversely, the sooner the right stops erecting these straw men and painting them red in the hope that they'll frighten some uninformed voter, the better, too."

It was Newt Gingrich who erected it. I almost want to keep my mouth shut about Maher's "selective" fact gathering. I don't imagine Romney will take that route, though there is no telling. However, the fact that liberal supporters like Maher and CNN tried very hard to minimize the Obama/ Alinsky connection leaves one with the impression that they would like to leave that bone buried.

#94

Mikey, what exactly do you teach? Fingerpainting?

Posted: 1/31/12 at 10:38pm

"I for one believe that not only is there nothing wrong with having read and absorbed whatever one absorbed from Alinsky, it's admirable. And, as I've pointed out, many, many Republicans and other right-wingers agree."

Exactly. Like I said, rightwinger Andrew Breitbart used Alinsky techniques to bring down ACORN. If it works, it works! And apparently, Alinsky's methods can work. (Though I still think the "fart-in" is going a little too far.)

#95

Mikey, what exactly do you teach? Fingerpainting?

Posted: 1/31/12 at 10:42pm

Right.

So why the focus on what Bill Maher thinks?

#96

Mikey, what exactly do you teach? Fingerpainting?

Posted: 1/31/12 at 10:43pm

"That's all they've got. That's their whole case against Obama."

Well, I wouldn't go quite that far. I think there is a LOT of dissatisfaction in this country with Obama. If a small percentage of his 2008 voters decide to switch sides or to just stay home, he could lose some of those vital "battleground" states. And that will make for a VERY interesting November evening.

#97

Mikey, what exactly do you teach? Fingerpainting?

Posted: 1/31/12 at 10:44pm

The FACT that YOU HATE Bill Maher is what pushed you over the edge.

You are upset "claiming" Bill Maher left out parts of Alinsky's biography because he has a dumb audience. However, you have not once mentioned the FACT that YOUR PARTY and the Tea Party nuts have used the same tactics. You are biased,a liar, and a hypocrite!

'There are three sides to every story. My side, your side, and the truth. And no one is lying. Memories shared serve each one differently' -Robert Evans-

#98

Mikey, what exactly do you teach? Fingerpainting?

Posted: 1/31/12 at 10:46pm

"So why the focus on what Bill Maher thinks?"

Or, why focus on what Bill Maher thinks about what Newt Gingrich says??

#99

Mikey, what exactly do you teach? Fingerpainting?

Posted: 1/31/12 at 10:50pm

LOL! Pathetic.

Bill Maher could wipe the floor with an idiot like you in a debate any time of the day!

Bill doesn't care what Newt thinks.You missed the point of his video. You Mikey, However care that Bill reaches millions of people and made a funny clever video/commentary and it drives you mad! LOL!

'There are three sides to every story. My side, your side, and the truth. And no one is lying. Memories shared serve each one differently' -Robert Evans-

#100

Mikey, what exactly do you teach? Fingerpainting?

Posted: 1/31/12 at 10:54pm

"Mikey, of course Alinsky's son would credit his father for Obama's success. Why not ride Obama's coattails, right ? It's pretty funny that you think that it proves your point. "

I am not saying it PROVES my point, but it certainly SUPPORTS my point.

"And I actually tried to research your claim that Obama taught Alinsky's methods right up until 1992. Try as I might, all I could find was various fringe sites parroting the claim, but not giving any dates or locations. So, the claim is not credible."

The research I did stated that he taught about Alinsky and his methods while teaching at the University of Chicago. He began teaching at that university in 1992, that is where I got that date.

"So, yes, Obama may have been taught the rules, he might have even been teaching the workshops, but that was in 3 years that he was a community organizer. Which was 25 years ago."

So, has he forgotten the Alinsky tactics?

"So, yes, there is no link, but there is a smear campaign. Just like i said."

Wait a minute; THERE IS NO LINK???? Or, there IS a link, but it is 25 years old and YOU don't think it is relevant?? (Even though my sources indicate he was teaching Alinsky in 1992).

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