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Why I’m Glad Proposition 8 Passed

You may not agree with everything said here. That's fine. Our community isn't going to agree on everything. But hear this guy out. I think he makes a wonderful argument.


Why I’m Glad Proposition 8 Passed
by Kendal Bustamante

Please bear with me, as this is one of the most difficult things I’ve ever had to write in my life. I wanted to tell you why last night, while protesting Proposition 8, I thought to myself “I’m glad Proposition 8 passed.” What occurred in California (and Fl, AZ and AR) was an injustice to basic human rights but it has awoken a need for progress that has been dormant for far too long. Had Proposition 8 not passed, many of us would be content with the bone that was being thrown at us all. Instead, we are now fighting for tolerance, not only for gay Californians, but for all gay Americans. Perhaps, we may also be a recognizable voice to our brothers and sisters around the world. Many of whom face greater injustices than we do.

The passing of Proposition 8 means we have failed to reach out to others. In our quest to protect ourselves from those who do not understand us, we tell ourselves that we’re smarter, more caring, and more understanding. Yet, we display the same arrogance our opposers do. We ask others not to discriminate against us yet we do it among ourselves all the time. We tear one another down based on color, looks, values, and ideas. We idolize those who are “powerful” and put down those who rebel from the norm. Yet, it’s those who have little who display respect, hope and an urge to overcome. How can we ask others to help us when we fail to help ourselves, and one another? I call this the ladder effect. It seems to be human nature for those who have overcome, to kick the ladder down at those who haven’t. Maybe that’s the exact reason that the Mormon Church -which has been discriminated against based on its belief of marriage- seeks to keep others out. As if marriage was some sort of fancy country club that only those in power can enjoy.

I once heard that the problem with the gay movement was the visibility of loud characters such as drag queens, queer radicals, or those drunkards who partake in the gay parade (raising hand here). I think the real problem with the gay movement is not that they are the ones most visible, the problem is that they are the only ones who are visible. Many out there fail to see that the majority of us are average. It won’t be until Joe-the-closeted-plumber comes out, that others will start understanding we are just like them. Yet, our community oftentimes thinks that just because something looks pretty on the outside that it is pretty on the inside. This sort of contentment we have has got to go and this issue must be examined at its roots. Yesterday, while marching along total strangers, I felt like I was experiencing my first true gay PRIDE parade. It made me feel proud and let me tell you, this energy is contagious. There weren’t any floats, or any over-dramatic display of attention. Instead, there was brotherhood, warmth and love.

However, over the past week I had one friend decide not to protest because she had a date. Another, didn’t care because his home state (CT) has begun officiating gay marriages. Another didn’t show up because he was afraid of bumping into an ex. Don’t you get it? You are being asked to be part of a movement that is not about you. This is not just about marriage in California. This is about Arizona, Arkansas and Florida. This is about the gay family that could be torn apart because they don’t share the same rights as a heterosexual partnership. This is about those couples that are deeply in love, but only because they fight for it every day. This is about that lonely teenager that thinks everyone hates him and sees suicide as the only option. After all, the highest suicide rates are among gay teenagers. This is about giving hope to those afraid to come out. To those who need to be inspired to march or realize that they are capable of helping in ways other can’t. This is about the nest civil rights activist who needs a bit of inspiration.

If you feel like writing an angry letter to those who oppose us, I ask you to instead write a letter explaining the hurt that is being caused. Don’t lash out, but speak from your heart. Your letter might be discarded in a second but if one opponent reads it, then we have succeeded. To those who oppose gay marriage, I say…

“Your actions are hurting me and others in ways you do not realize. I want to be like you, I want to be happy. I’m single but one day I hope to fall in love and grow old with that person. I will not judge you, as I don’t know you or the strength of your character. I believe that your stance on this issue is causing pain to many people but I also believe that doesn’t make you a bad person. We all have flaws. I know I do. I hope one day you are able to set your prejudices aside and realize we’re all human. We all want the same thing- to be happy. Since I believe that you are a good person, I can only ask for your help in understanding one another. I know you think you are helping us but the only thing anyone in this world can do is help themselves.”

Now, if we have learned anything from Obama, is that you don’t win over people’s trust by preaching to the choir. While many of us may feel hurt and perhaps betrayed by actions of the Mormon church, or the actions of many African-Americans and Latinos, there is no better time to reach out to them then now. If we allow ourselves to blame them, we will be engaging in the same arrogance they employ against us.

While we have failed, we are a resilient people. Remember that our burden is also our virtue. J.K. Rowling once spoke about the benefits of failure. Rowling explained, “Simply because failure meant a stripping away of the inessential”. Now that the inessential has been stripped of us, we can focus on what really matters. I always thought that being gay meant forgiving yourself when no one else will. Not only must we forgive those who have hurt us, we must forgive ourselves. If we don’t we will fail to come together and realize that despite our differences, we all want the same thing – happiness.

Rowling also went on to state in the same speech “You will never truly know yourself, or the strength of your relationships, until both have been tested by adversity. Such knowledge is a true gift, for all that is painfully won and it has been worth more to me than any qualification I ever earned.” While this journey is a slow one, it is also one with a strong foundation. With this in mind, please put as much effort into having your voices heard. The following link contains information about this coming Saturday, November 15 and how you can become involved:

http://jointheimpact.wetpaint.com/?t=anon

If you can’t protest, tell a friend, a family member or simply send this letter to someone else. Tell your parents and remember that if we are to fail again, we will still have our spirits and no law or proposition will ever take that away.
While the following quote was made over 22 years ago, I feel never has it resonated more than it has now that we have elected Barack Obama on the same nights gay rights were defeated in multiple states. Yet its message and content predicted a journey set in place long ago. In 1986, one of the greatest figures of the civil rights movement stated, “The barometer of where one is on human rights questions is no longer the black community, it’s the gay community. Because it is the community which is most easily mistreated.” That man was the late Bayard Rustin. If you don’t know who he is, I suggest you read up on him. It might not be as entertaining as watching Sarah Palin put a world map together, but it is worth your while.

If anything, I was once told by a smart man that "Civil rights are a legal matter that need to be decided on decency, fairness and equality. Civil rights should NOT be decided on a popular vote."

Please reach out and remind those close to you….
GAY PEOPLE FALL IN LOVE TOO!
Why I’m Glad Proposition 8 Passed
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re: Why I’m Glad Proposition 8 Passed

Yes, it some ways it's good it passed. It showed people that people aren't as OK with gay rights as some might have thought. It also gave us a voice, showing that gays and gay supporters are alive and well in America and willing to protest for equal rights. It's also sending a clear message to various religious group about the handling of their tax-free dollars and seperation of church and state.
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re: Why I’m Glad Proposition 8 Passed

I was thrilled about the turnout on Wednesday. But Saturday will be telling.

It's at City Hall, not as easy to get to for the UWS/HK/Chelsea denizens. It's on a fun weekend rather than a boring Wednesday night. And the weather is supposed to be nasty. Will we live up to our hype?
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re: Why I’m Glad Proposition 8 Passed

I was impressed with the turnout we had last Saturday night at the Dobson protest, so I'm cautiously optimistic that the rally on Saturday in Chicago will build on that.

At any rate, the people who show up are the people who WANT to do something, so ask around, see what kind of literature there is, find out the best place for YOU to fit it and help is.

We are NOT one homogenous (although I am a homo genius) community. We never will be. Not all of us will agree about everything; not all of us even agree on this issue. The point is, anyone who gives even the slightest crap about defending the civil rights of gay people, dismantling the discriminatory laws that are already in place, as well as advance more inclusive laws for ALL of US need to get your asses out there.
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re: Why I’m Glad Proposition 8 Passed

Will we live up to our hype?

No. And subsequent demonstrations should not be judged in comparison to a first burst of enthusiasm, which has its own meaning.

Act-Up would get huge crowds for big demonstrations, like a mass die-in, shutting down Grand Central Station at rush hour or the one at St. Patrick's that pout Act-Up on the map, for better and for worse.

But it was the smaller demonstrations--and the ongoingness of the demonstrations over a number of years--that got the work done.

Gay marriage is not going to happen quickly. And if Saturday's demonstration has fewer than 15,000 people attending, it doesn't mean we've lost the battle.
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re: Why I’m Glad Proposition 8 Passed

You're lighting the corners of my mind, Pal Joey. My first chalk-body outline!
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re: Why I’m Glad Proposition 8 Passed

And what the Yes people didn't say was that the field trip to the wedding was organized by a parent and each child had to have permission slips signed by their parent and that there were children who were not allowed to go.

They also didn't tell the truth about the church issue. No church will be forced to honor gay marriage. I fully support this. Let each church decide how they want to be involved with gay people or not.

As for gay themed children's books and agreements to not slur gay people, well this is an issue for the education system to work out. Where do the opt out laws apply? Where is it perfectly acceptable to teach respect and tolerance--just as we do with regards to race, religion, and gender?

At the end of the day, these parents have to decide how to handle their situation--just as parents who were offended by the teaching of evolution or the teaching that blacks are equal to whites had to make a decision.

That's how I see that.
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re: Why I’m Glad Proposition 8 Passed

Getting back to my original thought on the gay community and the churches getting what they want, this is how I see it. The churches do not want to be told that they must perform marraige ceremonies for gay and lesbian couples. I know this is what they are afraid of. They are afraid of clergymen being jailed or the church losing it's tax exemption. There are many churches whose doors are open to the gay community but I think those that are not are afraid of being prosecuted.

Well, they're stupid. Seriously.

And as I've said before, all this worrying about what the kids will learn about homosexuality is a red herring. Kids ALREADY know about it. Ask any kid who gets called a fag at school. What they fear is kids receiving positive images of homosexuality, because, you know, that little nelly kid who is going to grow up to be gay sure as sh*t ain't one of "THE CHILDREN" they are worrying about protecting.
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re: Why I’m Glad Proposition 8 Passed

"Yet, we display the same arrogance our opposers do. We ask others not to discriminate against us yet we do it among ourselves all the time."

Amen.
Just give the world Love. - S. Wonder
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re: Why I’m Glad Proposition 8 Passed

Eh, that's section that made qualify this with the phrase I agree with virtually all of that. I'm tired of being lumped in with the looksists and the body fascists simply for the fact that I'm gay. I'm tired of being part of the "we" that wants to do nothing but go to clubs and party and the "we" that needs to stop looking in the mirror and start educating ourselves. This we spends about two minutes looking in the mirror when getting ready. This we does educate himself. This we has never ruled out someone to date because they were black, white, Hispanic, Asian, fat, thin, had Tourette's syndrome, etc, etc. I sure as hell ain't perfect, but it takes more than just the surface for me to get turned off.

I think the "we think we're so much better but we didn't reach out" overreaches just a tad. Perhaps it was myopic not to canvass "the blacks" and the "the hispanics," but let's get real - I can't think of a way to do that en masse with coming off as profoundly racist or, at the very least, condescending. I'm sure someone more delicate than me could come up with the proper plan for that and I think now that a dialogue has been forced a way WILL be found, but I'm not gonna fault people for NOT thinking that all minority groups are homophobic.

Guess what, boy and girls? There are always gonna be gays that don't want to date fatboys. There are always gonna be gays that are racist. There are always gonna be gays who can't seem any farther than what's right in from them. Waiting for the whole US of A to accept us didn't work, and expecting us (who after all, are "just like them") to all unify under one umbrella ain't gonna happen, either. I agree that as a group to work together on this we need to put our differences aside, but I do not think it helps to flagellate ourselves because "we're not perfect, either" (or maybe "we're all sinners, too"). There is no moral equivalency here.

My not understanding why some people spend their entire lives preparing for an afterlife that I don't think they are going to get is in NO way the same as those who vote to repress my rights. IF I do discriminate against the most nutty and off their rocker Christians, it's because of their unyielding and ugly intolerance and hypocrisy. Ultimately I don't give a crap WHAT anyone believes; I just want to them to stop expecting ME to live my life by those rules.

Like it or not, mainstream religion in this country is, by and large, unfriendly to gays. Yes, there are fringes that aren't, those fringes never seem to be able to make enough noise. The fact is that hateful religious bigots almost exclusively single out homosexuality when it comes to these "values" issues. Yeah, there's abortion, but there's also divorce, which goes against the lord's teachings as they see it; much like adultery and pre-martial sex, etc, etc, etc.

I'd also like to make a plea that we stop saying we want "tolerance." I don't want tolerance. I want to left alone to live my life. We've tolerated a fringe of religious fanatics dictating how WE should live our lives and we expect to tolerate how we want to live ours? I see a paradox there that we have to confront.

The suggestion that Mormons are against gay marriage because people were against THEIR polygamy is just a load of crap. The gays didn't make them stop that. Hell - since I'm just part of a big stereotype myself - I would imagine that given our druthers, we'd be all FOR polygamy. It also opens the whole "if we allow gay marriage, what OTHER kinds of marriage do we have to allow arguments" that I'm quite tired of hearing.

Go ahead, tell a religious loony they are hurting your heart. I'm sure they'll be more than happy to introduce you to Jesus to heal it.

Intolerance of THEIR intolerance is NOT the same thing. It just isn't. I have no desire to recruit a whole bunch of them to believe like I do. I have no desire to make them marry people they have no sexual attraction to. I just expect fairness and equality, not just in their tolerance but in their INtolerance. Wait until every state in the union ratifies its constitution to ban gay marriage. Do you think THAT's going to shut them up?

Updated On: 11/14/08 at 08:40 PM

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re: Why I’m Glad Proposition 8 Passed

I didn't take that as the entire gay community discriminates within itself. But a lot do. I am part of your "we" Phyllis.

I don't know how active or well known people here are in the gay communities where they live, but I am and have been. I went through Amendment 2 here in CO, as I have mentioned. I watched an entire city and parts of the state along with practically the entire gay community come together to get it overturned. And it was. Then I watched the bulk of the younger gay community go back to business as usual. It was an event for them. After it was over, they didn't continue to participate in fundraiser's, know of current issues within the community, etc. I have been to a several Matthew Sheppard fundraisers/functions and 98 percent of the people there were 40 or older. I guess after marching, protesting and participating in candle light vigils for a number of years, I get tired of not seeing our younger generation show that they are ready to pick up and carry the torch, if need be. It scared me a few years back when I read in our local paper that in interviews done with younger gay men they still didn't think AIDS was "their" disease. So I guess I think some of those things are why it may take a long time before things happen for our community. And maybe Prop 8 will push us much closer. I have said before that I am not the biggest supporter of Gay Marriage. But if it is the only way that our community can obtain equal rights, then I guess we need to fight for it. But I have been out there fighting, and I want to see the next generation get in there and do what a lot of us did. Will I go out and protest or attend a vigil again? Yes, I most likely will. But there are times that I think our community make take a step or two back because the up and coming generation won't realize what's happening until it is too late. I hope I am wrong.

It was nice to see so many young people voting this year. In the past I have run across so many young people who didn't vote. Had no idea, not even the slightest, what was going on politically. All they wanted to do was spend that time in the mirror and go clubbing. And to be fair, there were a few people my age that were the same. But not many. For a while this just upset me and my friends to the point that we said "We are done. We are just going to live our lives and if things fall apart, so be it". But it really isn't in our nature to just give up.

Very random thoughts. And please know that I am not making blanket statements and I don't mean the entire younger gay community is "at fault". But I am just speaking based on what I have seen over the past several years.

OK...someone rip me apart for my thoughts now!
Just give the world Love. - S. Wonder
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" I want to see the next generation get in there and do what a lot of us did."

Um, I'm sorry, but who is the 'us' that you speak of? After paying some attention to your posts, I haven't gotten the feeling that you're THAT old - at least not old enough to have gone through what many who post here have.

Everything is cyclical - even this particular fight. There are many generations who have worked and ARE working still for some sort of acceptance on a national level.

I think you're a little too caught up in what it is that YOU'VE been doing, and are forgetting all that HAS been done around you!

And for the record, I lived in Colorado during the Amendment 2 debacle, as well. You're NOT alone - and will get nowhere with an attitude that you are.
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Q, I am close to 50 years old. I have been active within the gay community since I came out at 18 in 1979. Also, I must say that I am not from Denver. I am from Philly. Have lived in Denver for 17 plus years. So I have experienced the communities in both cities.

I guess one problem with posting thoughts here, and Phyllis brought this up in another thred to me, is that you can't always pick up on one's tone in their posts. I really tried to pick and chose my words so that my post did not offend. If I offended you, I apologize.

I never said I was alone and I have gotten pretty far with what I consider to be a great attitude. Professionally I have done well and I have also given a lot of my time to the community in general and have even been awarded for it. I am well known and respected by a lot of people here in Denver. Some in high places. So I think I have come pretty far. And no, I don't plan to stop!

I am not blind to what has happened around me and am not "caught up" in what I have done. I realize what has happened around me, both good and bad. I said in my post that my friends and I aren't ones to just give up. And we haven't. I still attend fundraisers, etc. I have worked with gay youth as well as African American youths. So again, I am not "caught up". I want to see our community have equal rights just like anyone else and will do what I can to help get them. I was speaking on one segment of our community.

You said you lived in Colorado during Amendment 2 and that I am not alone. I take it that you were also at the rallys, vigils, etc. If so, that's great. I was very proud to have been a part of that time and see what we did as a community (And not just the gay community).
Just give the world Love. - S. Wonder

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