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i'd agree the cash might be nice (again, given the credit card mention). But keeping a friend you spent four years with, and as warm a relationship as possible in the extreme circumstance, might be nicer.

While it's tempting to cast a villain in every scenario (and try to find a way to punish them), sometimes the worst tragedies come when both sides are right, and both NEED to do what they're doing, even if the agendas are at odds. That thought is not original to me, but might apply here. R CHICKEN knows in his heart what he wants to do, and we should all honor that.

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i'd agree the cash might be nice (again, given the credit card mention). But keeping a friend you spent four years with, and as warm a relationship as possible in the extreme circumstance, might be nicer.

While it's tempting to cast a villain in every scenario (and try to find a way to punish them), sometimes the worst tragedies come when both sides are right, and both NEED to do what they're doing, even if the agendas are at odds. That thought is not original to me, but might apply here. R CHICKEN knows in his heart what he wants to do, and we should all honor that.

I don't think anyone is casting a villian, but the fact remains that if you break up with your fiance, etiquette dictates you give him back the ring. I don't see how it's a punishment to expect her to return the ring.

Ghost is right. Anytime you hear one of those etiquette specialists or psychologists, they say that if the girl breaks it up, she should return the ring to the guy.

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I'm not trying to obtuse, but how would one split those hairs in actual practice? If I say "Will you marry me? Here is the ring." isn't it implicit that the ring is for the promise of marriage?

Jane2, will you marry me?

Please accept this Nuva Ring if you wish to be my bride.

All right, but you should be aware that it that ring can cause side effects!

Vaginal infections and irritation
Vaginal secretion
Headache
Weight gain
Nausea


Vomiting
Change in appetite
Abdominal cramps and bloating
Breast tenderness or enlargement
Irregular vaginal bleeding or spotting
Changes in menstrual cycle
Temporary infertility after treatment
Fluid retention (edema)
Spotty darkening of the skin, particularly on the face
Rash
Weight changes
Depression
Intolerance to contact lenses
Nervousness
Dizziness
Loss of scalp hair

Sharp chest pain, coughing blood, or sudden shortness of breath (possible clot in the lung)
Pain in the calf (back of lower leg; possible clot in the leg)
Crushing chest pain or heaviness in the chest (possible heart attack)
Sudden severe headache or vomiting, dizziness or fainting, problems with vision or speech, weakness, or numbness in an arm or leg (possible stroke)
Sudden partial or complete loss of vision (possible clot in the eye)
Yellowing of the skin or whites of the eyes (jaundice), especially with fever, tiredness, loss of appetite, dark colored urine, or light colored bowel movements (possible liver problems)
Severe pain, swelling, or tenderness in the abdomen (gallbladder or liver problems)
Sudden fever (usually 102°F or more), vomiting, diarrhea, dizziness, fainting, or a sunburn-like rash on the face or body (very rarely, toxic shock syndrome)
Breast lumps (possible breast cancer or benign breast disease)
Irregular vaginal bleeding or spotting that happens in more than 1 menstrual cycle or lasts for more than a few days
Urgent, frequent, burning and/or painful urination, and cannot locate the ring in the vagina (rarely, inadvertent insertions of NuvaRing® into the urinary bladder)
Swelling (edema) of your fingers or ankles
Difficulty in sleeping, weakness, lack of energy, fatigue, or a change in mood (possible severe depression)

And I think you're only prone to them if you put in your vagina. If you wear it on your finger I think you're okay.

Yes we can and I have a suggestion where you might want to put the ring!



haha, not there-I fooled ya!

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Updated On: 9/24/08 at 03:47 PM

I actually asked that exact same question. He said that if it's given say during a holiday (say in a Christmas box or on a birthday) then technically it could be considered a gift by the courts and the receiver would be allowed to keep the ring. If it's given specifically and ONLY as an engagement ring, then it's still TECHNICALLY the buyer's property, not the wearer's. It's a technicality, but I guess as a jeweler he's seen that situation come up several times.

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Ghost, please present me with mine in the midst of oozing chocolate in my flourless minicake topped with pistachio ice cream.

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Ha - and if at a baseball game it becomes the property of the manager of the home team.

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Well I got my engagement ring at Christmas, but if I had broken the engagement I would have done the right thing and given it back. I mean that's like $6000. Not fair to keep it.

And you don't have to pawn it. You can save it and trade it in to a jeweler toward another ring when you find the RIGHT girl and get engaged again.

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