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an example of bammy's "new" politics - hillary's "a monster"
#25re: an example of bammy's 'new' politics - hillary's 'a monster'
Posted: 3/7/08 at 12:12pmnope this is clearly an organized effort on the part of the bammys to engender sympathy. i mean, what kind of idiot cannot see through this? i'm sorry, taz is absolutely right: the whole thing was orchesrated. probably by his muslim grandmother.
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#26re: an example of bammy's 'new' politics - hillary's 'a monster'
Posted: 3/7/08 at 12:13pmOy
#27re: an example of bammy's 'new' politics - hillary's 'a monster'
Posted: 3/7/08 at 12:15pm
oh please. Like I said before, if you don't realize this was co-ordinated then you're too in love with your candidate.
Even I admit that Hil does the same thing. It's politics, and no one gets out without playing the game.
In an odd way, I have more confidence in bammy now. I see he's learning to be less "pie in the sky" and more practical.
#28re: an example of bammy's 'new' politics - hillary's 'a monster'
Posted: 3/7/08 at 12:16pmI see plenty of folks pretending to know the true witchy motivations of LA DIABLA, Hillary Clinton...
Mamie
Broadway Legend Joined: 3/26/04
#29re: an example of bammy's 'new' politics - hillary's 'a monster'
Posted: 3/7/08 at 12:18pm
She not only would - she has. Earlier in the campaign some letters were sent (to the media I believe) that inferred that Obama was a Muslim. These were traced to her campaign workers and they were fired.
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#30re: an example of bammy's 'new' politics - hillary's 'a monster'
Posted: 3/7/08 at 12:18pm
"you're too in love with your candidate"
This is where some of you just go off the rails. I have no candidate.
#31re: an example of bammy's 'new' politics - hillary's 'a monster'
Posted: 3/7/08 at 12:21pm
Here's the headline from the Hillary-Hating Huffington Post:
Obama Advisor Resigns After Calling Hillary "A Monster"
That's politics for you. The resignation itself extends the length of time the offending epithet remains in the news cycle.
But good for Obama and good for Samantha Power. They did the right thing.
DG
Broadway Legend Joined: 11/2/05
#32re: an example of bammy's 'new' politics - hillary's 'a monster'
Posted: 3/7/08 at 12:29pmI'm a little confused. Are people saying this entire event - up to and including a career politico taking a 'ding' on her resume' - was orchestrated simply to get the word 'monster' attached to Hillary? She's called worse than that by people who support her. And the word itself carries no meaning beyond itself - as opposed to the word 'muslim', for example.
#33re: an example of bammy's 'new' politics - hillary's 'a monster'
Posted: 3/7/08 at 12:31pmActually, the "right" thing would have been for Obama to fire her, like he promised. Allowing her to resign was a little cowardly.
#34re: an example of bammy's 'new' politics - hillary's 'a monster'
Posted: 3/7/08 at 12:32pm
now if he will just clarify that a bammy administration will have no place for her. at. all. i think we can move on. sometime next week. until we want to bring it up again as an example of his willingness to use pawns to do his dirty work and then cast them aside like used condoms on his march to mecca.
pj, are you arguing with yourself?
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#35re: an example of bammy's 'new' politics - hillary's 'a monster'
Posted: 3/7/08 at 12:36pm
cubanpap - I don't disagree with you, and I am both a Hillary Supporter and an Obama supporter. I do not agree with everything Hillary has done, nor do I think she is the perfect candidate - I just think she, at this time, is a bit more ready for the job. Sorry, but that is my opinion. If Obama gets the nod, I will vote for him. I have some reservations about whether he is ready for this challenge, but I will put them aside and support him.
And as for the quote you reference from Hillary, correct me if I am wrong, but isn't (perhaps not all) a large part of the support for Obama derived from his speech in 2002? Without that speech, do you really think he would be where he is? Would he be able to run on "judgment" relying solely on that speech? Has it not been the stepping stone for his run for office?
I personally discount the value of the speech, because as a candidate for state office running in one of the most liberal districts in Illinois, it was not exactly politically risky at the time. And, again, I wonder if he would make the same exact speech if in the US Senate - I don't know but I honestly doubt it.
He is charismatic, he gives a great speech, and he may have the makings of a great President - or not.
Updated On: 3/7/08 at 12:36 PM
#36re: an example of bammy's 'new' politics - hillary's 'a monster'
Posted: 3/7/08 at 12:56pm
"and then cast them aside like used condoms on his march to mecca."
Where do you come up with these things?
Now I have a mental image of pilgrims heading to Mecca,scattering used condoms like rose petals.
#37re: an example of bammy's 'new' politics - hillary's 'a monster'
Posted: 3/7/08 at 1:24pm
YouWantItWhen - the speech may have been the stepping stone for his campaign, but it certainly isnt what "his entire campaign is based on"... he's been just as vocal as senator clinton on what he actually intends to do as president... but the clinton camp keeps insiting he's just about speeches and empty rhetoric. for senator clinton to say those things about her opponent might be "standard practice in politics", but i certainly appreciate that obama has not resorted to the same type of politics. take that for what its worth, but to me it makes me like the guy more.
i agree that its done on both sides... its politics... but i really feel that senator clinton has used these dirty tactics much more than he has... she has run a much more aggresively negative campaign against him (particularly as of late). the entire "red phone" ad felt like it could just as easily have come out of McCain's camp. telling someone your kids wont be safe if they vote for your opponent is using fear to get people to do what you want them to do. fear. the republicans THRIVE off it, but i didnt expect to see that coming from the dems. even senator clinton. that one really took me by surprise.
as someone who has said many times before i was 100% ready to vote for her if obama lost, i'm not so sure anymore. she doesnt seem like the type of candidate i want to support. i cant say what my decision will be if she wins the nomination, surely the idea of mccain in office is enough for me to just put my negative feelings aside and vote, but i'm really not sure.
its not just that she's been negative, thats expected, its the way in which she's gone about things. i have yet to see him throw lines like "xerox speeches" her way... says alot about his character. something i value in my president.
#38re: an example of bammy's 'new' politics - hillary's 'a monster'
Posted: 3/7/08 at 1:37pm
Hmmm, the Walmart line was not a cheap shot?
I agree, Hillary is pushing too hard on some things, and it is becoming a turn-off to me as well.
But, Obama has not exactly been angelic in this process, and the language of some of his supporters in attacking Hillary has been obnoxious.
To me, he keeps harping on the speech as the big difference between the two of them, so in many ways, it appears to me that without that specific speech, he would not be where he is today. You are right to say that it is not the entire basis of his campaign, but it does appear to be the entire basis of his argument that he has better judgment than she does - which is now a focal point of the campaign.
#39re: an example of bammy's 'new' politics - hillary's 'a monster'
Posted: 3/7/08 at 2:39pm
i wonder now after having read the report at the link i include if the monster comment was really why she got canned or if it was to cover up for the fact that in another interview she admitted that the most basic tenet of the bammy campaign - out of iraq in 16 months - was only a "best case scenario" and that "he will, of course, not rely on some plan that he’s crafted as a presidential candidate or a u.s. senator."
is that so, bammy? how many other campaign promises are your aides out there equivocating upon?
just what exactly do you plan to do, bammy? about anything?
i wonder why she really "chose" to resign?
...global warming can manifest itself as heat, cool, precipitation, storms, drought, wind, or any other phenomenon, much like a shapeshifter. -- jim geraghty
pray to st. jude
i'm a sonic reducer
he was the gimmicky sort
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#40re: an example of bammy's 'new' politics - hillary's 'a monster'
Posted: 3/7/08 at 2:54pmthe best-laid plans of mice and men...
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Joined: 12/31/69
#41re: an example of bammy's 'new' politics - hillary's 'a monster'
Posted: 3/7/08 at 3:03pmIs she just she sorry she CALLED Hilary a monster or denying that Hilary is, in fact, a monster?
#42re: an example of bammy's 'new' politics - hillary's 'a monster'
Posted: 3/7/08 at 3:15pm
Here's her quote:
"Last Monday, I made inexcusable remarks that are at marked variance from my oft-stated admiration for Senator Clinton and from the spirit, tenor, and purpose of the Obama campaign, and I extend my deepest apologies to Senator Clinton, Senator Obama and the remarkable team I have worked with over these long 14 months"
Reads like an apology rather than a retraction.
JohnBoy2
Broadway Legend Joined: 3/21/06
#43re: an example of bammy's 'new' politics - hillary's 'a monster'
Posted: 3/7/08 at 3:19pmI find it all very funny. This and Hillary's Botox treatments.
#44re: an example of bammy's 'new' politics - hillary's 'a monster'
Posted: 3/7/08 at 3:29pm
Funny you should mention that. John McCain got so many Botox injections during the debates with Mitt Romney, that it almost impaired his ability to breathe.
McCain: Botoxer-in-Chief
#45re: an example of bammy's 'new' politics - hillary's 'a monster'
Posted: 3/7/08 at 3:36pm
And Cindy McCain, of course, has never had a STITCH of work done her tight little face.
JohnBoy2
Broadway Legend Joined: 3/21/06
#46re: an example of bammy's 'new' politics - hillary's 'a monster'
Posted: 3/7/08 at 3:37pmYes, that's pretty funny too. That and his T-Rex arms.
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Joined: 12/31/69
#47re: an example of bammy's 'new' politics - hillary's 'a monster'
Posted: 3/7/08 at 3:40pmPlease don't make fun of John McCain's arms. Pretty much all else is fair game.
#48re: an example of bammy's 'new' politics - hillary's 'a monster'
Posted: 3/7/08 at 3:42pm
I'm gonna be honest here, and I don't mean to start an argument, but I suspect that cindy is the head witch in an animal sacrificing
coven.
JohnBoy2
Broadway Legend Joined: 3/21/06
#49re: an example of bammy's 'new' politics - hillary's 'a monster'
Posted: 3/7/08 at 3:50pmSo it's okay to make fun of his left cheek, then?
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