i know bammy needs to shore up his support among jews but...wow- Page 3
i know bammy needs to shore up his support among jews but...wow
Mr Roxy
Broadway Legend Joined: 5/17/03
#50re: i know bammy needs to shore up his support among jews but...wow
Posted: 5/27/08 at 5:59pmMaybe he is part Russian .
Luscious
Broadway Legend Joined: 10/20/05
#51re: i know bammy needs to shore up his support among jews but...wow
Posted: 5/27/08 at 7:29pmThe funny thing is that I work for a Jewish religious organization and the majority of my co-workers and staff are overwhelmingly in support of Obama.
#52re: i know bammy needs to shore up his support among jews but...wow
Posted: 5/27/08 at 7:31pm
Clarification from Obama's campaign:
"Senator Obama's family is proud of the service of his grandfather and uncles in World War II –- especially the fact that his great uncle was a part of liberating one of the concentration camps at Buchenwald. Yesterday he mistakenly referred to Auschwitz instead of Buchenwald in telling of his personal experience of a soldier in his family who served heroically."
#53He Confused One Camp With Another... No Big Deal
Posted: 5/27/08 at 7:34pm
He confused Auschwitz with Buchenwald, but other than that, the facts are correct:
"Yesterday, Obama mentioned that his uncle, Charlie Payne, helped to liberate the Nazi concentration camp at Auschwitz. The Republicans were hoping that they could catch Obama lying - that maybe Obama never had an uncle who helped liberate the Jews in Europe. Well, in fact, Obama's uncle (his grandmother's brother) helped liberate the Nazi camp at Buchenwald (Obama mixed up Auschwitz and Buchenwald). So the Republicans (and a few Hillary fans emailed me as well) are trying to allege... what exactly? That Obama's family did in fact help save the Jews in Europe, but Obama got the name of the camp he liberated wrong? Okay. I'm not quite sure how that gives us any insight into Obama (other than his uncle is a hero) - I don't really know the difference Auschwitz, Buchenwald, Bergen Belsen and the rest of the camps. I just know that I'd be damn proud if a member of my family helped liberate them. Not to mention, according to the US Holocaust Museum, Obama's uncle's Infantry Division didn't just liberate one of the camps that made up Buchenwald. It was the first Nazi concentration camp liberated by US troops in all of Germany."
This is a non-issue to me (a Jewish Clinton supporter).
Obama's Uncle's Infantry Division Liberated Buchenwald
#55those concentration camps all look alike
Posted: 5/27/08 at 8:00pmlike i said, hey, ya see one concentration camp, you've seen them all.
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Mr Roxy
Broadway Legend Joined: 5/17/03
#56those concentration camps all look alike
Posted: 5/27/08 at 8:44pm
This sounds like a Hillaryesque flub.Imagine Hillary making such a claim.
Since Obama made it, all is forgiven as the new messiah can do no wrong.
#57those concentration camps all look alike
Posted: 5/27/08 at 8:50pm
Roxy - the ultimate truth of the statement remains - his Uncle was in the first infantry that liberated a concentration camp - he just got the wrong camp.
It is not as though he confused Sunnis and Shias multiple times while discussing an ongoing war...
If it had all been inaccurate, you would have a point, but the underlying sentiment of what he said was true.
BTW - I do find it ironic that I am a Clinton supporter defending Obama - but there is nothing to this.
Updated On: 5/27/08 at 08:50 PM
#58those concentration camps all look alike
Posted: 5/27/08 at 8:53pmIn addition, the comment was made in a Q&A session, not part of a prepared speech.
#59those concentration camps all look alike
Posted: 5/27/08 at 8:55pm
Hey RNC - nice way to unite the Dems!
Thanks for the assist.
#60those concentration camps all look alike
Posted: 5/27/08 at 8:56pm
The Washington Post, which usually washes his underwear, gets a little testy with him:
Granted, it is getting late in the campaign. The candidates are tired, and prone to making silly mistakes. Many Americans might have problems distinguishing Buchenwald from Auschwitz. But should we not expect more from a Harvard-educated presidential candidate? Is it too much to ask that an aspiring commander-in-chief knows (1) that Auschwitz (like many of the other Nazi death camps) is in Poland, and (2) that the eastern advance of the U.S. Army in World War II stopped on the river Elbe?
#61those concentration camps all look alike
Posted: 5/27/08 at 8:59pmAnd, to put this all into perspective, let us all remember that the grandfather of George W. Bush was a Nazi sympathizer.
#62those concentration camps all look alike
Posted: 5/27/08 at 9:00pmAs long as people are talking about which Nazi camp his uncle helped liberate, they're doing him a favor.
#63those concentration camps all look alike
Posted: 5/27/08 at 9:05pm
Eeeww, Brian. That's sounds a little opportunistic.
Someone on one of the liberal blogs called this "Auschwitz-gate."
I laughed and felt terrible.
#64those concentration camps all look alike
Posted: 5/27/08 at 9:15pm'Opportunistic'...I can live with that.
#65those concentration camps all look alike
Posted: 5/27/08 at 9:33pmToo bad my dead relatives couldn't.
#66those concentration camps all look alike
Posted: 5/28/08 at 7:27ampj, if they knew that they were possibly helping elect the greatest human being ever to breathe air, i think they'd be damn proud. if not then we don't need them as democrats.
...global warming can manifest itself as heat, cool, precipitation, storms, drought, wind, or any other phenomenon, much like a shapeshifter. -- jim geraghty
pray to st. jude
i'm a sonic reducer
he was the gimmicky sort
fenchurch=mejusthavingfun=magwildwood=mmousefan=bkcollector=bradmajors=somethingtotalkabout: the fenchurch mpd collective
#67those concentration camps all look alike
Posted: 5/28/08 at 7:29amHe's not human papa, he is the son of god.
#68those concentration camps all look alike
Posted: 5/28/08 at 8:27amIf so, you'd think the wouldn't make blunders like this, no?
#69those concentration camps all look alike
Posted: 5/28/08 at 9:34amThat's what's so confounding.
#70those concentration camps all look alike
Posted: 5/28/08 at 10:23amWell, I have to admit, I do believe if Hilary had made this mistake, the press would be much less forgiving. Hilary has to be precise. Obama merely needs to be "close enough".
#71those concentration camps all look alike
Posted: 5/28/08 at 10:26am
Close enough like mixing up the Army with the Navy?
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Charles W. Payne, born 1924, enlisted 10 Nov '42, Navy, 6293977 Registered, order #12019, Kansas City, Wyandotte Co., Board #4
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Looks like Great Uncle Charlie might have liberated Buchenwald from a ship somewhere in the Pacific.
#72those concentration camps all look alike
Posted: 5/28/08 at 10:55amnavy, army? c'mon it's the same effin' thing. it's the military, k? it doesn't really matter what branch he was in nor does it matter what camp he did or did not liberate. what matters is that it sounded good at the time. ok? did he make it up? maybe. does it diminish the memories of those soldiers who actually did liberate the camp and those who suffered there to become a faked anecdote? nah. this is bammy. this is a new politics. basically, he can do or say anything he wants and never be held accountable for anything. ever. until november.
...global warming can manifest itself as heat, cool, precipitation, storms, drought, wind, or any other phenomenon, much like a shapeshifter. -- jim geraghty
pray to st. jude
i'm a sonic reducer
he was the gimmicky sort
fenchurch=mejusthavingfun=magwildwood=mmousefan=bkcollector=bradmajors=somethingtotalkabout: the fenchurch mpd collective
mejusthavingfun
Broadway Legend Joined: 4/12/06
#73those concentration camps all look alike
Posted: 5/28/08 at 11:07am
"he can do or say anything he wants and never be held accountable for anything. ever."
That is and was George Bush.
"until november."
Obama survived Rev. Wright and a battle with Hillary Clinton. He will win in November. He can bring in the electoral states and the popluar vote. That said, John McCain has done nothing to unite his base and has lost ground while running unopposed! Not to mention his ditch of the Evangelicals and his offensive behavior toward American Jews.
It's amazing to me that the media is all over this Clinton/Obama division of the Democratic party while the Republican party is in shambles.
Huckabee is needed here but like you said it ain't gonna happen.
DG
Broadway Legend Joined: 11/2/05
#74those concentration camps all look alike
Posted: 5/28/08 at 11:11am
"It's amazing to me that the media is all over this Clinton/Obama division of the Democratic party while the Republican party is in shambles."
Really? You're amazed? Is that because you think the 'media' is liberal?
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