rosie's ching chong view of china- Page 6

[Marlene]

Posted: 12/11/06 at 4:02pm

So Marlene, should the unnamed race mentioned in your post be offended as well?

Why not? I never said that I had some sort of agenda to right all racial injustices or that I myself was free from using them. Am I wrong to make presumptions about an individual that chooses to threaten me? I know for a fact that I am to an extent racist on rare occasions (much for a cheap punch line, usually towards friends of mine, reciprocity), and world has given little incentive for me not to resort to such fallacies based on personal experience. I didn’t feel incline to generalize a race, ethnic group, or nation or people, but an individual that could probably have used a little anger management.

I am just personally offended by Rosies comment because it was specific to my race (which unless, I misinterpreted Jane2, is to what I was referring). I feel as if you're just being a cheap journalist taking my post slightly out of context. Frankly, if I were a public figure, I would not be so apt to display such depictions if I did not establish grounds for a satire or if it were specific to my own race. And I was just disappointed mainly given that Rosie made such a comment on the View, on nationally television, widely broadcasted (on an international level perhaps, since that was the point of Rosie's joke?) and the fact that I pretty much liked the woman before hand. I mean I not riled up to start an Anti-Rosie crusade, but the bottom line is I was offended to some extent because she did not own up to what she did, and just basically said to a certain extent "you know, AAJA, you need to go out there and get yourself a sense of humor." "Hello, sorry, AAJA, it was a tasteless joke" would have appeased me. To each his own.

I am actually surprised that a specifically Chinese group did not respond to Rosie's statement, but the AAJA did. But just given the fact that Asians are a minority in the country, (like 5% of the population or so, I may be off) I don't see it as completely off. It's not like the general public can readily differentiate between the specific Asian nationalities that exist--it tends to be a huge conglomeration of "Asian" on most forms, and it's more PC to call someone "Asian" that resorting to one generalized ethnic nationality you want to blanket on the whole Asian population. But I do feel that this perhaps would not have such weight on perhaps Japanese or Korean person since it is not specific to their race.

[papalovesmambo]

Posted: 12/11/06 at 4:42pm

i can usually tell the nationalities apart.
ching chong in wiki-land

[Type_A_Tiff]

Posted: 12/11/06 at 4:50pm

I think if I had seen her schtick, unaware of her previous over-sensitivity, I would have rolled my eyes but it would be water on a Peking duck's back. My outrage, for lack of a letter word, is aimed at the hypocrisy she's shown. It's natural to be particularly sensitive towards comments or jokes aimed at a group you identify yourself with. But if I flipped her a limp wristed finger, what do you think she's be more offended by?

[alterego]

Posted: 12/11/06 at 5:34pm

"And the people all said ching chong, ching chong your rocking the boat' - Dame, was that a reference to boat people? O-oh, I think I just opened another can of worms.

Personally, I love Don Rickles.

[cheezedoodle]

Posted: 12/11/06 at 5:36pm

"was that a reference to boat people"

Hey now, what does Elian Gonzales have to do with this?

[papalovesmambo]

Posted: 12/11/06 at 5:43pm

nothing until he decides that he wants to play shortstop for the red sox. then he becomes evil and must be destroyed.

like rosie.

[DAME]

Posted: 12/11/06 at 5:46pm

alterego,
I love Don Rickels to. It is unfortunate that if people don't lighten up and stop being so freaking anal this kind of humor will disappear.
And Marlene,
So what if the comments were on national tv. Please don't assume that we are all so stupid as to not know the difference between humor and a insult. That was humor. And it was funny . We got to be able to laugh and enjoy others and ourselves. Again.. lighten up.

PS. ratings for The View are way up. America LOVES Rosie.

Updated On: 12/11/06 at 05:46 PM

[alterego]

Posted: 12/11/06 at 5:49pm

Dame, I couldn't agree more! For God's sake everyone - lighten up!

[papalovesmambo]

Posted: 12/11/06 at 5:56pm

thubat's rubight, dubame. bubecubause thube pubeople's jubust bube tubo dubamn subensubitubive.

[Kringas]

Posted: 12/11/06 at 5:57pm

Dame and Alterego, are either of you Chinese?

[DAME]

Posted: 12/11/06 at 6:00pm

Nope. I am Jewish and Puerto Rican. We get our fill of jokes to. And that is all Rosies comment was. It wasn't a attack, it wasn't a slur, it was a joke.
And Mambo;
That is a gross and stupid comparison. Your like the villagers that want to light torches and chase down what they think is evil. Your trying to make something that is just not there.

Updated On: 12/11/06 at 06:00 PM

[Marlene]

Posted: 12/11/06 at 6:00pm

Frankly I'm not concerned about anyone being stupid in terms of understanding Rosie's humor, DAME. I'm just merely saying that something I say to an acquaintance, or even on this forum, does not have as much weight as Rosie O'Donald on national television on the View since it reach such a large audience that can potentially be offended by this. She is public figure; I am not. I lack a forum that will reach as many viewer/readers as Rosie, and at this point in time I do not have as much power/credibility/[insert fitting word] to permeate the minds of the public with my views as Rosie has to a larger degree.

In honesty, I'm not really riled up about this. Don't tell me what to do. I don't need to lighten up. I'm just clarifying the intent of my posts, since others are inclined to make generalizations about what I say.

[papalovesmambo]

Posted: 12/11/06 at 6:02pm

nope, i'll just light you. besides it's a perfectly apt comparison.

[DAME]

Posted: 12/11/06 at 6:04pm

What others? Your the one that went on a 3 paragraph rant. And mambo; it is not. It is a very moronic comparison. Maybe you should open a history book?

Updated On: 12/11/06 at 06:04 PM

[papalovesmambo]

Posted: 12/11/06 at 6:05pm

maybe you should pull your head out of rosie's ass?

[DAME]

Posted: 12/11/06 at 6:07pm

Maybe. She was still funny.

[LizzieCurry]

Posted: 12/11/06 at 6:08pm

Please don't assume that we are all so stupid as to not know the difference between humor and a insult.

I assume the "we" we're talking about is not Asian. Please respect the view of a segment of the population you obviously do not belong to nor understand.

[Marlene]

Posted: 12/11/06 at 6:09pm

So your now establishing that grounds that jokes can't offend, or hurt people. So I can walk around saying everything and anything, as long as I have a humorous intent and/or tone attached to what I say.

[spiderdj82]

Posted: 12/11/06 at 6:09pm

I am on a thin line with this. I don't like when people are hypocrites (Rosie I am pointing my finger at you), but at the same time it was all in the name of fun and there are comedians who make fun of every race and you just have to laugh. Now, if she would said it with a straight face and she declared that she meant every word she said . . . then I would have a problem.

But, at the same time . . . if a comedian made fun of gay people, there would probably be a riot on this board about them being homophobic.

**shrugs shoulders**

[LizzieCurry]

Posted: 12/11/06 at 6:14pm

Fun times!

http://www.alllooksame.com

[Marlene]

Posted: 12/11/06 at 6:19pm

Okay, so should we break out into a kick line while singing "Everyone's a Little Bit Racist" a appease the masses?

At this point I feel as if I am beating a dead horse (yay, for the b-to-the-oring cliche). I can go on in an endless cycle, althought I would be delighted to rough and tumble this one out I have a paper to write...but the bottomline, I'm expressing my personal view on the matter. Never have I mentioned that Rosie has racist intentions to attack the Chinese, Asians, etc, etc. It doesn't mean that Rosie's statement can't be offensive. So before attacking my argument don't bother to qualify this with I'm x, y, or z ethnicity (there are historical significances that make it all different) or say what Rosie said was a joke, lighten up.

Oh that website is a riot Lizzie.

[DAME]

Posted: 12/11/06 at 6:21pm

Marlene,
if you watch the segment you will see that the joke was about the language. It was about hearing jibberish and then the words Danny Devito or The View. When I hear my neighbor ( Chinnese) talk to her husband I don't understand a word she is saying unless she happens to say a word in english interjected here and there. The rest to me sounds like Chin Chong Ching.It is funny to me and I am not a racist. When I hear my grandparents speak Yiddish all I hear is yakebum, gadembundesdk.... blah.. blah.. with every once in a while a little english thrown in. It is funny to me. AND I am not a racist.
And Lizzie;
The "WE" I am talking about is Asian, Jewish, European, French, Spanish.. etc.... ( in other words.. ALL OF US)


OYYYY!!!!

Updated On: 12/11/06 at 06:21 PM

[alterego]

Posted: 12/11/06 at 6:43pm

No Kringas I am not Chinese, I'm third generation Australian from English/Scottish origin.

Marlene, I love Rosie O'Donald and I quite like that Rosie O'Donell too.

Hasn't this topic just about run it's course? It was a flippant remark that was made that amused some, offended others. We all have gripes and crosses to bear - and we all just move on.

[Marlene]

Posted: 12/11/06 at 6:48pm

You're argument is based on the fact that Rosie's comment has not other way to be interpreted. I inherently agree that it is was intended for comedic purpose, but it will just inevitably hit you in a different way based on who you are.

I agree to disagree. Frankly I don't find jokes of that nature to be funny--low comedy much? The only time I laugh is usually at the point where it is so utterly outrageous when one is satirizing his or her own backgrounds. We're different people, with different experiences, so not all of the same things humor us, the end. I can also leap over to the grounds of hypocrisy, but that appears to be Tiff's faction.

Goodness, I just realized that this thread is one of papa's creations. He's the reason that I subtly fail in life. LMAO.

[edit] If he mentions "underage", "minor", "lolita" or something of that nature it gets deleted, a la youknowwho style.
Updated On: 12/11/06 at 06:48 PM

[DAME]

Posted: 12/11/06 at 7:05pm

Ok Marlene,
I do get your point. I guess we are both just seeing different things . Now back to that paper.