#26
Posted: 10/16/08 at 1:02pm
that can be changed and vouchers will help the effort.
school voucher's logic — Page 2
#27
Posted: 10/16/08 at 1:03pm
"its not the governments job because the government is established to do the things can't be done by the individual. individuals can teach or hire someone to teach."
First of all, the grammar in this post alone is enough proof of the failed education system. I can only pray the poster went to private school.
The problem is that NOT everyone can teach. I would like all those who say this to spend one DAY in a classroom teaching, let alone a week, a month, or several decades and come out saying any old person can teach. I would like to know where the money is coming from to HIRE these people that are so readily available to teach. Good God, do you ACTUALLY believe the stuff that spews out of your fingers here? It's just utter nonsense.
First of all, the grammar in this post alone is enough proof of the failed education system. I can only pray the poster went to private school.
The problem is that NOT everyone can teach. I would like all those who say this to spend one DAY in a classroom teaching, let alone a week, a month, or several decades and come out saying any old person can teach. I would like to know where the money is coming from to HIRE these people that are so readily available to teach. Good God, do you ACTUALLY believe the stuff that spews out of your fingers here? It's just utter nonsense.
Hi, Shirley Temple Pudding.
#28
Posted: 10/16/08 at 1:07pm
I totally didn't understand that post either, Jason.
I don't understand where all this anyone can teach stuff is coming from all the sudden.
I don't understand where all this anyone can teach stuff is coming from all the sudden.
KFTC!!!!!
#29
Posted: 10/16/08 at 1:09pm
under a privatized system teachers would be paid more. the best teachers would be getting the best pay. the worst teachers wouldn't work. much better than the socialist system of equal pay for unequal talent. it would also attract higher quality applicants because of the increase in pay. more people would want to be teachers. it is the socialist model we have now that keeps everyone down.
#30
Posted: 10/16/08 at 1:13pm
Ok glinda if anyone can teach come to my classroom and teach for a day.
"it really isn't the governments job to educate the children of this county."
OK so you want to privatize it and have only the rich be able to afford education...how elitist of you...and by the way it doesn't work...see the French Revolution as an example....if you do this it will further the divide of the classes.
"The job is the parent"
Well you tell the crackhead mother that. You aren't even giving these children a chance by privatizing it...if they choose a school that isn't in their district how will a parent get that child to school
" private schools have a higher rate of academic achievement and it doesn't cost the government any money"
Private schools have a higher rate because they don't need to meet the same standards...they don't have standardize testing, a curriculum, core standards, and they can kick out undesirables...it doesn't cost the government...it only cost the parents, some can't afford to put food on the table
How uneducated and elitist are you?
"it really isn't the governments job to educate the children of this county."
OK so you want to privatize it and have only the rich be able to afford education...how elitist of you...and by the way it doesn't work...see the French Revolution as an example....if you do this it will further the divide of the classes.
"The job is the parent"
Well you tell the crackhead mother that. You aren't even giving these children a chance by privatizing it...if they choose a school that isn't in their district how will a parent get that child to school
" private schools have a higher rate of academic achievement and it doesn't cost the government any money"
Private schools have a higher rate because they don't need to meet the same standards...they don't have standardize testing, a curriculum, core standards, and they can kick out undesirables...it doesn't cost the government...it only cost the parents, some can't afford to put food on the table
How uneducated and elitist are you?
"Never be bullied into silence. Never allow yourself to be made a victim. Accept no one's definition of your life. Define yourself"
#31
Posted: 10/16/08 at 1:15pm
"under a privatized system teachers would be paid more. the best teachers would be getting the best pay"
I started at $38,000 my friend who works in a private school started at $20,000
I started at $38,000 my friend who works in a private school started at $20,000
"Never be bullied into silence. Never allow yourself to be made a victim. Accept no one's definition of your life. Define yourself"
#32
Posted: 10/16/08 at 1:19pm
"the best teachers would be getting the best pay. the worst teachers wouldn't work."
"its not the governments job because the government is established to do the things can't be done by the individual. individuals can teach or hire someone to teach."
Two posts from the same person. These are in DIRECT conflict with each other. Well done!
"its not the governments job because the government is established to do the things can't be done by the individual. individuals can teach or hire someone to teach."
Two posts from the same person. These are in DIRECT conflict with each other. Well done!
Hi, Shirley Temple Pudding.
Updated On: 10/16/08 at 01:19 PM
#33
Posted: 10/16/08 at 1:23pm
no contradiction. under a complete private non governmental education system the best teachers would get the best pay. it is really a simple concept to understand.
if you can't afford to have, feed, clothe and educate your children without sponging off the government, don't have kids. simple
if you can't afford to have, feed, clothe and educate your children without sponging off the government, don't have kids. simple
Updated On: 10/16/08 at 01:23 PM
#34
Posted: 10/16/08 at 1:26pm
Private schools also don't have to provide benefits or student loan forgiveness to employees. No pension, nothing. So after spending however much in college you get out and are setup for financial failure. I don't know how any single teacher can afford a home, a car and loans on those crappy salaries.
I got news for you, there is a point where qualified, willing, would-be teachers will turn and run. They already do now.
If you want to see how bad a "privatized" school system would be look at our hospitals. It's egregious to think that competition will make better schools. It’s also a MASSIVE waste of our resources to expect children to travel anywhere outside their zipcode for school.
If people want to send their kids to private school they can go ahead just don't expect us to pay for it.
Goth Israel has a public school system that works, do you have a problem with that?
I got news for you, there is a point where qualified, willing, would-be teachers will turn and run. They already do now.
If you want to see how bad a "privatized" school system would be look at our hospitals. It's egregious to think that competition will make better schools. It’s also a MASSIVE waste of our resources to expect children to travel anywhere outside their zipcode for school.
If people want to send their kids to private school they can go ahead just don't expect us to pay for it.
Goth Israel has a public school system that works, do you have a problem with that?
#35
Posted: 10/16/08 at 1:27pm
Look, eduacashun is overated anyway. Peeple who hav a diploma or a digree arenot garanteed a job.
I say give the children of americah a pocket full of hope and send then out into the werld.
expeeriens is the best teecher anyway.
I say give the children of americah a pocket full of hope and send then out into the werld.
expeeriens is the best teecher anyway.
....but the world goes 'round
#36
Posted: 10/16/08 at 1:27pm
So galinda, you would have the children suffer just because their parents "shouldn't have had them?"
KFTC!!!!!
#37
Posted: 10/16/08 at 1:27pm
Also galindagood aka Goth, do you think education should be compulsory?
#38
Posted: 10/16/08 at 1:27pm
Typical elitist BS.
Therefore, you're saying that your education should be determined by your birth? If you are born to poorer parents, you don't deserve any opportunities?
Tell me, would you have gone to school under this system? Would your parents have been able to afford a college education throughout your formative years, not to mention that of any siblings you may have?
You're just begging for a guillotine, aren't you?
Therefore, you're saying that your education should be determined by your birth? If you are born to poorer parents, you don't deserve any opportunities?
Tell me, would you have gone to school under this system? Would your parents have been able to afford a college education throughout your formative years, not to mention that of any siblings you may have?
You're just begging for a guillotine, aren't you?
Hi, Shirley Temple Pudding.
#39
Posted: 10/16/08 at 1:30pm
#40
Posted: 10/16/08 at 1:34pm
The NEA is probably one of the largest groups of Democrats and since we only have two parties it's safe to assume they speak for the people.
#41
Posted: 10/16/08 at 1:37pm
Regardless of their party affiliation, they are the ones who would know whether or not this program works.
I'm not an educator, I don't have children, so I'm really not qualified to posit an opinion on the issue.
My point is if the experts (educators) think it's not good idea, I trust their judgment.
I'm not an educator, I don't have children, so I'm really not qualified to posit an opinion on the issue.
My point is if the experts (educators) think it's not good idea, I trust their judgment.
....but the world goes 'round
#42
Posted: 10/16/08 at 1:38pm
While I of course agree with the NEA's stance, this statement:
Public schools are improving without vouchers. Competent, caring teachers, backed by supportive parents and administrators, are producing exciting gains in student achievement in public schools across America, through a variety of successful and innovative programs.
Seems like a little about of a stretch on the truth given what I see every day, especially the "backed by supportive parents and administrators" part...
Public schools are improving without vouchers. Competent, caring teachers, backed by supportive parents and administrators, are producing exciting gains in student achievement in public schools across America, through a variety of successful and innovative programs.
Seems like a little about of a stretch on the truth given what I see every day, especially the "backed by supportive parents and administrators" part...
Hi, Shirley Temple Pudding.
#43
Posted: 10/16/08 at 1:41pm
"it really isn't the governments job to educate the children of this county. that job is primarily the parents job. school vouchers will help make it clear that the socialist model of education is out dated and doesn't work. private schools have a higher rate of academic achievement and it doesn't cost the government any money. vouchers are a perfect way to phase us out of the expensive socialist education program and lead us to a private profit market based system. i hope it happens soon, because the country needs it. "
Idiotic and untrue. One of the founding principals of this country was the right to a free and appropriate education for ALL.
Unlike private schools who pick and choose who they want to educate. And pay teachers LESS.
Idiotic and untrue. One of the founding principals of this country was the right to a free and appropriate education for ALL.
Unlike private schools who pick and choose who they want to educate. And pay teachers LESS.
#44
Posted: 10/16/08 at 1:44pm
Thanks Taz - there are several of us on this thread -- I wish more politicians felt the way you do!
Hi, Shirley Temple Pudding.
#45
Posted: 10/16/08 at 2:10pm
"Regardless of their party affiliation, they are the ones who would know whether or not this program works."
you have to regard party affiliation! nea is stocked with liberal socialist democrats trying to milk the $$$ for keep liberal ideas in the schools and keep bad teachers employed. Repulicans see the real issues hand propose real solutions. Let the free market handle it. socialized education keeps everyone down.
you have to regard party affiliation! nea is stocked with liberal socialist democrats trying to milk the $$$ for keep liberal ideas in the schools and keep bad teachers employed. Repulicans see the real issues hand propose real solutions. Let the free market handle it. socialized education keeps everyone down.
#46
Posted: 10/16/08 at 2:27pm
Is Galinda:
A. Drunk
B. High
C. A Sock Puppet
D. All of the above
I tell you where the taxpayer is getting cheated and where reform needs to occur. It's from the TOP down. In my district the super makes a six digit salary, has a driver, and other benefits such as a housing allowance. The are countless "assistants" to the super who also make six figure salaries. There are so many people up at that board of ed office making tons of money and some of them have never been in a classroom. THAT'S where the reform needs to occur. At least in my district. It isn't the teachers who mostly live paycheck to paycheck.
A. Drunk
B. High
C. A Sock Puppet
D. All of the above
I tell you where the taxpayer is getting cheated and where reform needs to occur. It's from the TOP down. In my district the super makes a six digit salary, has a driver, and other benefits such as a housing allowance. The are countless "assistants" to the super who also make six figure salaries. There are so many people up at that board of ed office making tons of money and some of them have never been in a classroom. THAT'S where the reform needs to occur. At least in my district. It isn't the teachers who mostly live paycheck to paycheck.
#47
Posted: 10/16/08 at 2:29pm
"Let the free market handle it"
Now there's a GREAT idea. If we did that what condition would our schools be in right now considering the current financial situation in the "free market"?
Now there's a GREAT idea. If we did that what condition would our schools be in right now considering the current financial situation in the "free market"?
#48
Posted: 10/16/08 at 2:34pm
one of the first things the Pilgrims and Puritans did when they got to this country was to build schools so that all children could go to school
"Never be bullied into silence. Never allow yourself to be made a victim. Accept no one's definition of your life. Define yourself"
Updated On: 10/16/08 at 02:34 PM
#49
Posted: 10/16/08 at 2:39pm
My question is what happens when the private schools are presented with too many of these vouchers and just refuse to take any more students? Will the Gov't force them to take new students, because then private education wouldn't private anymore.
Updated On: 10/16/08 at 02:39 PM
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