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#76

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Posted: 7/17/06 at 9:09am

The eastern world, it is exploding
Violence flarin’, bullets loadin’
You’re old enough to kill, but not for votin’
You don’t believe in war, but what’s that gun you’re totin’
And even the Jordan River has bodies floatin’

But you tell me
Over and over and over again, my friend
Ah, you don’t believe
We’re on the eve of destruction.

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#77

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Posted: 7/17/06 at 9:10am

Oooops. Double post.

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Updated On: 7/17/06 at 09:10 AM

#78

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Posted: 7/17/06 at 9:43am

what'd you do, watch newt on mtp?

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he was the gimmicky sort

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#79

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Posted: 7/17/06 at 10:01am

The hate in that area has been ongoing for centuries & nothing will change that

The scary thing is a major source of our energy comes from there when we have so many oyher option we have not used

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#80

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Posted: 7/17/06 at 10:13am

gee, the israelis are already out of lebanon. seems they went in, atttacked some hezbollah bases and left.

#81

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Posted: 7/17/06 at 10:19am

They know the right way to do it. They go in, get the job done & than leave

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#82

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Posted: 7/17/06 at 10:47am

Unlike Bush.

#83

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Posted: 7/17/06 at 11:04am

Zone - what would you do if you were Israel?

They left Lebanon and the UN never enforced its mandate regarding disarming Hezbollah - and Hezbollah crossed into Israel's territory, killed I believe 8 Israeli soldiers (on Israeli land) and then kidnapped two more and two them back over the border into Lebanon.

And, literally thousands of rockets are aimed at various Israeli cities from Hezbollah launching points within Lebanon? Haifa has bit hit multiple times, and Israeli civilians have been repeatedly targeted by Hezbollah.

If the international community will not disarm Hezbollah, then Israel is giving no choice but to do so itself. Hezbollah is not a free standing army, it is a militia that hides in neighborhoods and streets that otherwise would be civilian.

Don't get me wrong, I think that the response has been somewhat disproportional, but honestly, since a large portion of the international community would rather see Israel cease to exist, and are unwilling to reign in Hezbollah, what choice do they have? Let their soldiers be taken and missiles launched from the northern border? If anything, this shows Israel that land for peace will not work with Hezbollah. You have to have two sides who want peace for there to be peace. Hezbollah (and to an extent Hamas) do not want peace.

They can only build hearts and minds after they defang those who are attacking them today.

All I can say is that Israel and the US better have a reconstruction plan for Lebanon and get it going fast after this is done if they want to maintain the power of the fragile democracy.

#84

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Posted: 7/17/06 at 11:26am

"...the UN never enforced its mandate regarding disarming Hezbollah".

Has Israel ever obeyed a UN directive/mandate? I don't think so.

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#85

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Posted: 7/17/06 at 11:42am

got any specifics there, jimmy? i mean un resolution 1559 called for hezbollah to disarm. specifically. which specific un resolutions have you in mind when you make a comment like that?

#86

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Posted: 7/17/06 at 11:45am

http://www.middleeastnews.com/unresolutionslist.html

Resolution 271: " . . . 'condemns' Israel's failure to obey UN resolutions on Jerusalem".

#87

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Posted: 7/17/06 at 11:47am

http://www.mediamonitors.net/michaelsladah&suleimaniajlouni1.html

http://www.jatonyc.org/UNresolutions.html

#88

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Posted: 7/17/06 at 11:48am

what were the specifics of that resolution? #271.

#89

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Posted: 7/17/06 at 11:53am

out of curiosity, jimmy, was hezbollah justified in crossing into israeli territory and kidnapping two soldiers in the act that precipitated israel's recent response?

#90

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Posted: 7/17/06 at 11:55am

http://www.thenation.com/doc/20021028/zunes

"More clearly, Israel has defied Resolutions 267, 271 and 298, which demand that it rescind its annexation of greater East Jerusalem..."

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/UN/unres271.html

#91

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Posted: 7/17/06 at 11:56am

No they were no more justified than Israel was when they knocked down people's homes with bulldozers which helped to intensify the hatred between the two sides.

#92

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Posted: 7/17/06 at 12:20pm

just when were the bulldozers in lebanon? or in gaza for that matter prior to hamas' kidnapping of another israeli soldier?

#93

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Posted: 7/17/06 at 12:38pm

Here is the reason given for the kidnapping. There are two sides to every story.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/06/26/world/main1749981.shtml

"This operation is a natural response to the Israeli crimes of killing women and children, and the assassination of two (militant) leaders," Hamas spokesman Sami Abu Zuhri said. One of those leaders, PRC leader Jamal Abu Samhadana, was killed in an Israeli air strike two weeks ago, shortly after accepting a senior security position in the Hamas-led government.".

#94

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Posted: 7/17/06 at 12:41pm

I guess the fact that Israel did leave Lebanon (which I think was one of your UN mandates) and started to dismantle settlements means nothing to you.

Don't get me wrong Jimmy - I think Israel has used disporportionate force, but I am not sure we would do anything different if in her shoes.

This is not a simple problem, and I fear a solution is going to take leadership - something completely lacking from both sides. And, both sides are wrong here, and both sides are right. Syria and Iran are just making things worth.

There are plenty of UN Resolutions condemming Israel - a handful I agree with. Most are just posturing by anti-Israel contries who would rather see Jerusalem destroyed than a part of Israel.

(Any viable peace plan will have to divide Israel - with parts being giving to the Palestinians, and parts retained by Israel.)

#95

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Posted: 7/17/06 at 12:48pm

please. if the palestinians had used gaza as anything but a place from which to launch attacks into israel after israel pulled out we wouldn't even be talking about this. hamas does not want peace. hezbollah does not want peace. if hezbollah had wanted peace they would have disarmed and participated fully in the lebanese government.

the reason we're seeing this is that abu mazen had gotten close to actually making a breakthru with some elements of hamas. that and iran wanted something to distract the world from its nuclear program. how else do you explain the some 400 revolutionary guards from iran in southern lebanon or the fact that the missile which destroyed the israeli gunboat was iranian?

#96

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Posted: 7/17/06 at 12:52pm

Something we agree on papa - I am sure the world is coming to an end.

#97

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Posted: 7/17/06 at 12:57pm

well, y'know, ywiw, everybody's been screaming about the christians wanting the rapture and the end of the world, but not so many people noticed that the president of iran believes the exact same thing except he thinks the hidden imam's coming back.

*edit - although, jesus will follow after the imam restores order to the world. who says islam's not inclusive?

Updated On: 7/17/06 at 12:57 PM

#98

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Posted: 7/17/06 at 1:04pm

He is another crazy F&$k.

Soon, to have nuclear weapons.

My favortie quote from the attached article:

"In spite of obvious differences, the parallel between Bush and Ahmadinejad is powerful. They are both deeply religious leaders who make no secret of their devotion. Amir Mohebian, the political editor of the Iranian newspaper Resalat, quipped, "Bush said: 'God said to me, attack Afghanistan and attack Iraq.' The mentality of Mr. Bush and Mr. Ahmadinejad is the same here -- both think God tells them what to do."
Waiting for the Rapture in Iran

#99

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Posted: 7/17/06 at 1:11pm

Many people on the left have noticed that, Papa. We refer to Ayatollahs Falwell and Robertson. We use the phrase "Christianist" to equate them with "Islamists"--people who use a false conception of religion as a political tool. I feel that way about many in the the right-wing in Israel as well.

Let's face it: Fundamentalism in every religion is equally pernicious. It is the source for most of the hatred in the world today.

#100

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Posted: 7/17/06 at 2:30pm

until the christians start cutting off heads, sending their children out in semtex jumpers and surrounding themselves with civilians while they fire on liberal positions, i'll avoid lumping them in together.

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