so much for good news from the middle east — Page 3

The truth of the matter is that if we DO go to war with Syria and Iran, it will not be because of Israel.

It will be because Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld WANT to go to war with Syria and Iran. It has been a stated ambition of the neocons for almost a decade.

Remember: Our president is a (self-described) WAR president.

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And Bush and Cheney have been trying to institute an executive branch here in the United States that is, in your words, "answerable to no one."

Although NO ONE is saying that the US government is committing those types of atrocities domestically (and only time will tell whether we have been conducting them overseas), Bush and Cheney have been unsuccessfully attempting to "control the population through fear" and successfully attempting to dismantle our long-cherished constitutional protections AGAINST those types of atrocities, namely the Balance of Powers and Congressional Oversight.

As you said about those other countries, "It's long past time to try a new direction."

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as you have the opportunity to attempt to do this fall, pj. is that a wonderful thing?

i believe that with understandings for the cultural differences that such a system would benefit the people of most if not all of the countries in the middle east and even the world. the fact that it is not perfect argues for it rather than against it as it has the ability to evolve. even an imperfect system which recognizes the voice of the people is better than one in which the people have no voice.

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Papa, your point?

I think they are terrorists, but their followers do not.

Many view the US and its military as terrorists, but I do not.

It all depends on perspective.

Nice way to twist and distort papa.

I am sure that you have a great future in the Republican party.

You win, papa, everything the US says and does is right, and no one has the right to question or comment.

We never make mistakes, our perspective is the only one to consider, and truth is what we define it to be.

On that much we can agree.

wow, if i cared i'd so go back and count your myriad losses under that rule.

how would you calm things down, pj? i mean it seems that lotsa people have lotsa fingers to point at who's to blame but nobody has any thoughts for what to do. are all of our great thinkers here completely bereft of ideas?

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do you see any current leaders who could step in and fill that void?

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i made a suggestion almost 2 years ago right here.
send bubba

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We (meaning the US) Vetoed a UN resolution demanding Israel stop its attacks on Gaza.
CNN Story about the US Veto

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My mom is there now too. I can't wait until she comes back this weekend and I wish she could bring all my extended family back with her.

I don't come on this board to chat politics. Dancinqueen, just wanted you to know you're not alone!

And now we have Israel Ground forces entering Lebanon.

I still can not understand the unwaivering support of the American Government for Israel, no matter what Israel does. It Boggles the mind, and has for years.



ETA

Just so we're all clear, Israel has invaded a sovreign nation.

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Updated On: 7/17/06 at 07:32 AM

yep. israel invaded a sovereign nation after members of that government invaded israel and killed several soldiers and kidnapped 2. members of that nations government have fired hundreds of rockets into population centers. hizbullah is part of the lebanese government.

look at it in perspective: would america sit stll if 141 of it's solders were kidnapped and held for ransom? would america sit still if 377 people in miami beach were killed by rockets fired from cuba? if you take it proportionally those are some of the losss israel has suffered.

israel has cut off escape routes and suply routes in southern lebanon for hizbullah. they are not going in to occupy, they are going in to destroy hizbullah. they understand that you cannot bargain with nor negotiate with those who live only to see you dead, you just have to kill them.

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