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the prop 8 supreme court decision moment by moment countdown thread
#125re: the prop 8 supreme court decision moment by moment countdown thread
Posted: 5/26/09 at 4:37pm
Are you sure that wasn't Liza Minnelli?
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But, yes, that was Whitman.
#126re: the prop 8 supreme court decision moment by moment countdown thread
Posted: 5/26/09 at 4:44pmYou know, instead of forming a protest on Maggie's lawn it should be arranged for same sex couples to walk by the house every 15 minutes or so. They could be holding hands, kissing, etc. Things within their rights. That would probably piss her off more than picketers.
#127re: the prop 8 supreme court decision moment by moment countdown thread
Posted: 5/26/09 at 4:45pm
I wonder why this took so long?
Fundies already promising to go after the 18,000 marriages the CSSC let stand
http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/story?section=news/state&id=6832046
TulitaPepsi
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#128re: the prop 8 supreme court decision moment by moment countdown thread
Posted: 5/26/09 at 4:47pmWait, romantico - they are making lemonade for us.
#129re: the prop 8 supreme court decision moment by moment countdown thread
Posted: 5/26/09 at 4:53pm
Jilani
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#130re: the prop 8 supreme court decision moment by moment countdown thread
Posted: 5/26/09 at 4:55pm
He said his group plans to appeal on the issue of 18,000 marriages that the court ruled will stand as is.
I'm not sure what this means - since the ruling was on a question of state constitutional law, there isn't a higher court they can appeal to. Unless by "appeal," he means they will pursue another ballot question specifically designed to invalidate the 18,000 marriages. I don't think such a question would succeed. We really will prevail on this issue; it's only a matter of time.
#131re: the prop 8 supreme court decision moment by moment countdown thread
Posted: 5/26/09 at 6:28pm
George Takei speaks out against prop H8
"They decided to be indecisive," says Takei. "It was a ruling that doesn't resolve anything because there is still inequality. It's like [George Orwell's Animal Farm] ? some pigs are more equal than other pigs. We're more equal than some of the other gays and lesbians."
The Court even changed sides on the issue!
"This Supreme Court, which only 12 months ago ? last year in May ? ruled that it is a fundamental constitutional right that marriage equality extend to gays and lesbians, did a flip-flop. This so-called ruling by the California Supreme Court will ultimately be condemned by history," he continued.
Although happy that his marriage has maintained its legality, Takei will continue to fight until the vote is changed!
http://www.tvguide.com/News/George-Takei-Gay-1006330.aspx
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#132re: the prop 8 supreme court decision moment by moment countdown thread
Posted: 5/26/09 at 6:39pmSorry George doesn't understand the California constitution as well as he understands Tribbles and transporter technology- The Court ruled a year ago that the California constitution said that gays could marry just like straights. Prop 8 changed the constitution to say they couldn't. Today, the court ruled that the people do have the power to change the constitution just like that. The court didn't change, the constitution did.
#133re: the prop 8 supreme court decision moment by moment countdown thread
Posted: 5/26/09 at 6:44pm
You know, I skimmed the opinion again, and it appears to me that the only thing that the Yes on 8 folks got was the word "marriage."
The opinion seems to support a distinction between marriage and a commitment contract and the underlying rights.
I think that this was a very narrow opinion, and there is actually some good language in it:
For example:
In sum, although Proposition 8 changes the state Constitution, as interpreted in the majority opinion in the Marriage Cases, supra, 43 Cal.4th 757, to provide that restricting the family designation of ?marriage? to opposite-sex couples only, and withholding that designation from same-sex couples, no longer
violates the state Constitution, in all other respects same-sex couples retain the same substantive protections embodied in the state constitutional rights of privacy and due process as those accorded to opposite-sex couples and the same broad protections under the state equal protection clause that are set forth in the majority opinion in the Marriage Cases, including the general principle that sexual orientation constitutes a suspect classification and that statutes according differential treatment on the basis of sexual orientation are constitutionally permissible only if they satisfy the strict scrutiny standard of review."
This is means they get the word marriage, but not the rights underlying the word.
Regardless, let's hope that someone competent works to overturn 8. But, the decision is not a dark or as stark as it could be.
#134re: the prop 8 supreme court decision moment by moment countdown thread
Posted: 5/26/09 at 6:49pmThey're (the fundies) will never be happy. In Washington state we got the "everything but marriage" bill passed and signed, but they object and are vying for a spot in the ballot in November to overturn it because it's too close to marriage, and that could be the next step.
Experience is what you get when you didn't get what you wanted. - Randy Pausch
#135re: the prop 8 supreme court decision moment by moment countdown thread
Posted: 5/26/09 at 7:55pm
It will be a cat and mouse game until it can go to the US Supreme Court to have a final judgement made that will apply the US Constitution.
Otherwise, state by state there will alternately be referenda to allow it, then likewise to disallow it. Not a fun game.
roquat
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#136re: the prop 8 supreme court decision moment by moment countdown thread
Posted: 5/26/09 at 11:22pmCould the same thing happen in Maine, or are their constitutional laws different? The conservative opposition is already going after the signatures needed to get on the ballot in November.
#137re: the prop 8 supreme court decision moment by moment countdown thread
Posted: 5/27/09 at 12:20am
Coverage of the New York rally:
ABC 7: Prop 8 Protest
#138re: the prop 8 supreme court decision moment by moment countdown thread
Posted: 5/27/09 at 12:28am
i went to the rally today in union square. it was very emotional.
i posted some photos of the protest on my blog.
speaker of nyc council christine quinn spoke and was very powerful.
http://martingouldcummings.blogspot.com/
check out the photos...they are the 2nd article on my blog.
#130re: the prop 8 supreme court decision moment by moment countdown thread
Posted: 5/27/09 at 12:59am
YWIW????--are you by any chance the person who sent this to Andrew Sullivan's blog? This is similar to the point you make:
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Have been through the Prop 8 opinion and dissents. It appears that this is a blockbuster pro-gay-rights decision, restricting the effect of Prop 8 to the effect of removing the designation of gay civil unions as "marriage," but upholding all equal rights previously declared by the Court; and, suggesting that if the opponents of gay rights were to try to restrict equal union rights for gays by constitutional change, such change would be an Amendment (not a revision) and thus would be procedurally much more difficult to accomplish.
Being able to lay claim to the word "marriage" is important, but in all other respects this appears to be a spectacular decision in favor of gay rights.
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#131re: the prop 8 supreme court decision moment by moment countdown thread
Posted: 5/27/09 at 1:05amIs there any way those cartoon bunnies could do an abridged version of this thread for me? Thanks in advance.
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#132re: the prop 8 supreme court decision moment by moment countdown thread
Posted: 5/27/09 at 2:29am
IMO, most gays are getting exactly what they deserve. The self righteous here will bash me for this, but the sad truth is not enough of the gay community really cares about gay marriage OR gay rights. They're either too afraid to come out of the closet or are just plain apathetic. When most gays decide that enough is enough, decide to come out at work and to friends/family/neighbors, that's really the only way gay marriage has any hope of passing. Those with hopes that some amendment will pass next year are seriously deluded IMO.
Updated On: 5/27/09 at 02:29 AM
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#133re: the prop 8 supreme court decision moment by moment countdown thread
Posted: 5/27/09 at 2:48am
go **** yourself you useless c***.
I hope you get raped by rabid monkies.
#134re: the prop 8 supreme court decision moment by moment countdown thread
Posted: 5/27/09 at 2:52am
we can not continue to yell or argue or be upset...we need to band together and march in peaceful protest like people before us.
look to leaders like mlk and ghandi.
rise up, speak out, and march for our rights.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vCVYWOKONCQ
TheatreDiva90016
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#135re: the prop 8 supreme court decision moment by moment countdown thread
Posted: 5/27/09 at 3:11am
Peter,
I agree with you. Tonight, I saw too many lazy fags sitting around bars. They weren't there to march. They wanted to stand around and see who they could take home.
And right outside, thousands of people were marching by for their civil rights.
They couldn't be bothered.
And Zone,
Unless you got off your lazy butt and went to a rally before you went to work, STFU.
You have NO room to talk here, call for blood, or call people names.
DID you go out? I asked earlier and you just left the threads, or didn't answer.
Just wondering...
#136re: the prop 8 supreme court decision moment by moment countdown thread
Posted: 5/27/09 at 7:44am
For Namo:
The 30 Second Bunnies present Prop 8: the Thread
papa Bunny - 10 minutes to go until the ruling is announced. Let's count down.
nealb1 Bunny - prop 8 will be upheld
PJ Bunny - but the 18,000 can stay married
ZONE Bunny - Blood! Kill 'em all!
All Bunnies - Awwww! This sucks!
PJ Bunny - let's sing an inspirational song
tazber Bunny - this will just affirm that to the GOP that their strategy of courting the right is the way to go
roquat Bunny - Ellen is one of the 18k. She'll comment
ZONE Bunny - Blood! Kill 'em all!
phyllis Bunny - I'm waiting for Obama to comment
PJ Bunny - we must organize and march!
tazber Bunny - think of the legal maze those 18k are going to be in.
catsnyrevival Bunny - my dad is celbrating
All other Bunnies - tell your dad to STFU!
ZONE Bunny - Blood! Kill 'em all!
Diva - I'm mad as hell and not gonna take it anymore (thank you Paddy Chayefsky)
ROscoe Bunny - Obama is a bigot and a coward
eris Bunny - I hope no one gets hurt at the riots
ZONE Bunny - Blood! Kill 'em all!
romantico Bunny - now the fundies are going after the 18k
#137re: the prop 8 supreme court decision moment by moment countdown thread
Posted: 5/27/09 at 8:33amtaz, i could literally see and hear the bunnies. effin' high-larious.
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#138re: the prop 8 supreme court decision moment by moment countdown thread
Posted: 5/27/09 at 9:03am
White House reaction to Prop 8 ruling
Gibbs at presser:
"I have not spoken with the President about it. I think the issues, uh, uh, the issues involved you know where the President stands."
End of comment.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g459NrfxxWk&eurl=
Back in the fall Obama opposed Prop 8 so I have no idea why he just can not say what he said then.
#139re: the prop 8 supreme court decision moment by moment countdown thread
Posted: 5/27/09 at 9:06am
As much as it pains me to say this,Ted Olson, better known as the devil, is now better than our president on gay marriage.
Ted Olson, better known as the devil, is now better than our president on gay marriage
by John Aravosis (DC) on 5/26/2009 10:19:00 PM
Now I've seen everything.
Ted Olson. Also known as George Bush's Solicitor General. Also known as the guy who represented George Bush at the Supreme Court in the Bush v. Gore case. Also known as Mr. Burns. The man is pure evil. And he's now representing a gay couple in a legal challenge in federal court to overturn Prop 8.
Just called Joe. We're both speechless.
It's difficult to explain in words how much each of us loathes Ted Olson. Of course, not any more. But you get the picture. It doesn't get any more conservative and nasty than Ted Olson. And now he's supporting gay marriage. And not just supporting it, but putting his legal muscle behind it.
First off, thank you Mr. Olsen. Seriously. And to our readers, this just goes to show you that even I can be fooled into thinking that some people are too far gone. As I've written on this blog many a time: Don't write people off, and don't mock people who reach out to the enemy. You'd be surprised what sometimes happens when you treat even bad guys with a modicum of decency.
Secondly, Ted Freaking Olson is now better on gay marriage than our president - than most of our party. Well, to be fair, let me be precise - Ted Olsen is now better on gay marriage than our president claims publicly to be.
At what point will President Obama realize that the year is 2009 and not 1993? America has become accustomed, inured, and possibly even bored with all the gay rights victories of the past five years. They just don't care any more. And I mean that in a good way. Gay marriage is bursting across the land and the American people have shrugged. They just don't care. So why does our president? Why do he and his advisers seem to be treating gay people and their issues as, at best, an embarrassing inconvenience?
Some realpolitik Iago has our President's ear. He's clearly convinced Obama that gays are the third rail, to be avoided at all costs. It's unfortunate. Not only did Obama openly campaign as a friend to the gay community, and iterate numerous clear-cut promises to act on behalf of our civil rights, but forget the politics for a moment. We're talking about people's lives. We're talking about millions of Americans. We're talking about a President who claimed - pretended? - to care about us. Who claimed to be different.
Not looking so different any more.
http://www.americablog.com/2009/05/ted-olson-better-known-as-devil-is-now.html
#140re: the prop 8 supreme court decision moment by moment countdown thread
Posted: 5/27/09 at 9:27am
"I have not spoken with the President about it. I think the issues, uh, uh, the issues involved you know where the President stands."
What a remarkably coherent and precise statement.
I actually have no friggin' idea what Obama thinks about the issue. I do know he's not a fan of gays though. So my conclusion is that he agrees with the ruling.
Shameful.
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