the prop 8 supreme court decision moment by moment countdown thread- Page 3

[thetinymagic2]

Posted: 5/26/09 at 1:16pm

True, KEVVY, I was just making an emotional general statement re people and institutions that choose to live in the past. Yes, I am an unadultered "progressive". Actually I enjoy PAPA, not for his politics, but for his creative writing/snarkiness. Wish *I* could be so clever!

[tazber]

Posted: 5/26/09 at 1:18pm

Those 18,000 are entering a legal maze. They're going to have to prove their marriage is legal everytime they want to apply for a loan or partake in any benefits that marrieds are allowed.

At least they have a famous face (Ellen) to speak out.

[Phyllis Rogers Stone]

Posted: 5/26/09 at 1:20pm

If they had invalidated the 18,000 marriages already on the books, Ellen DeGeneres' marriage to Portia de Rossi would have been among them. Imagine the impact that would have had (and not just among "those gay people")

I would have thought "Oh well, it's a shame for Ellen and Portia, but they are in a position to create their own safety nets." My concern would have been (indeed still is) for the non rich and famous gay marrieds.

Although I don't understand how the marriages can be legal if gay marriage is not. I mean, I do, but I don't.

The tone of this post is Maybe it's time to stop thinking of California is so much more socially advanced. Filtered by Tone-A-Tron^TM

[shira467]

Posted: 5/26/09 at 1:21pm

Obviously it's not socially advanced, and I'm pissy!

[TulitaPepsi]

Posted: 5/26/09 at 1:22pm

Is this the first time that civil rights have been awarded to a group... then taken away?

[PalJoey]

Posted: 5/26/09 at 1:22pm

I'm so proud of my cousin and her lover--and Ellen and Portia--and the 17,998 other couples in California who got married when they did.

The legal morass this ruling creates will mean more court cases, so while this feels like the final word, it's not.

[wonderfulwizard11]

Posted: 5/26/09 at 1:24pm

Ugh.

I agree with Phyllis- I don't understand how marriages can be legal and illegal at the same time. Freaking California.

[YouWantitWhen????]

Posted: 5/26/09 at 1:24pm

For those who want the opinion.

Opinion

[Jilani]

Posted: 5/26/09 at 1:25pm

While this is obviously very disappointing for now, the fact that the 18,000 existing marriages were allowed to stand will make it easier to overturn Prop 8 at the ballot box, which is ultimately what will happen.

[Phyllis Rogers Stone]

Posted: 5/26/09 at 1:26pm

I was just given a better understanding of how the marriages remained legal. As I understand it, since this decision was about upholding, Proposition 8 the marriages that were performed before it passed were and are still technically legal.

That said, it seems they've essentially created a separate by unequal class such as those they are legally gay married.

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[Phyllis Rogers Stone]

Posted: 5/26/09 at 1:27pm

I anxiously await the President's response to this ruling.

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[Unknown User]

Posted: 5/26/09 at 1:28pm

Yes- they WERE legal, now they aren't legal- but if you entered into marriage while it WAS legal...etc.

[ZONEACE]

Posted: 5/26/09 at 1:30pm

Yes joe, it is often refered to as a grandfather clause.

[TulitaPepsi]

Posted: 5/26/09 at 1:31pm

You and me both, Phyllis.

PJ is right. The fact that 18,000 marriages were allowed to stand creates a big legal oppertunity to get Prop 8 upended.

[Phyllis Rogers Stone]

Posted: 5/26/09 at 1:33pm

Or incentive for the Jesus people to work on getting THOSE marriages invalidated next.

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[roquat]

Posted: 5/26/09 at 1:33pm

Phyllis, I was talking about visibility. Ellen DeGeneres' talk show reaches millions every day, not all of which are sympathetic to our cause. It puts the battle in middle-America's living rooms.

[Eris0303]

Posted: 5/26/09 at 1:44pm

Ellen is also very likeable. I don't think anyone could have a better champion than her. Sam Harris has put himself in the front of this issue and as much as I like him he can be a bit off-putting and "in your face". That can, often, turn off those who are not on your side. I think Ellen handles things better and can do more for the cause.

[TulitaPepsi]

Posted: 5/26/09 at 1:50pm

Grandfather is going to give California a HUGE legal migraine.

[PalJoey]

Posted: 5/26/09 at 1:50pm

Interesting statistics in this LA Times article:

* Proposition 8 passed with only 52% of the vote.

* California has more than 100,000 households headed by gay couples, about a quarter with children, according to 2000 census data.

* The California Supreme Court is the only state high court in the nation to have elevated sexual orientation to the status of race and gender in weighing discrimination claims.
Prop. 8 upheld by California Supreme Court

[ZONEACE]

Posted: 5/26/09 at 1:56pm

Remember what I told you diva, leave the weave, hoops and heels with a trustworthy friend.

[tazber]

Posted: 5/26/09 at 2:02pm

So now, the 18,000 are a minority within a minority.

This was a really bad ruling. Not b/c I disagree with it (which I obviously do) but b/c of all the problems and loopholes it creates.

[Jordan Catalano]

Posted: 5/26/09 at 2:04pm

What's being organized tonight here in New York?

[PalJoey]

Posted: 5/26/09 at 2:05pm

Sheridan Square, 6 PM

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Meet at 6pm in Sheridan Square - 7th Ave and Christopher Street (near Stonewall Bar in the West Village) to join the march to Union Square (south side) where we all will rally (starting there about/after 6:45pm)!

Join:
Marriage Equality New York
Metropolitan Community Church
Lambda Legal
Civil Rights Front
Broadway Impact
Human Rights Campaign
Empire State Pride Agenda
Assemblymember Danny O'Donnell
Senator Thomas Duane
several couples married in California (and who want to stay married!)
and many more...

To volunteer to help the rally be even more successful,
email [e-mail]
We need marshalls, signature collectors for our petitions, donation helpers, organizers, general helpers, and many more tasks. WE NEED HELP...PLEASE VOLUNTEER!

Go to www.dayofdecision.com for info on your local event!

Updated On: 5/26/09 at 02:05 PM

[CATSNYrevival]

Posted: 5/26/09 at 2:08pm

My dad's in his room celebrating.

[DayDreamer]

Posted: 5/26/09 at 2:12pm

CATS - your dad's celebration won't be long-lived.

Taz - I think the loopholes are there on purpose - leaves the door open for further challenges.

I hope everyone who objects to the ruling will be at some rally today. It's not enough to bitch about it online. And wear white!