unimportant ramblings of a straight man- Page 4

[boborunstheshow]

Posted: 8/1/04 at 2:53pm

OH, I see what you guys are talking about. It took the sense of daylight to figure that one out Ok. well. That was unintentional. I didn't mean for that message to sound that way. I type how i talk, and much of my conversation in any given day is peppered with cracks about myself. The fact that i said i was straight, i was just kinda making fun of myself cause nobody else is and here i am discussing broadway. You have to look at it from my perspective. I spend all day with homophobs and as they everytime they start going on about how much they hate gays, which is pretty often, i think to myself, "isn't this funny. Im going to pretend like im a part of this group and then go home and jump on bww.com and be a part the opposite group." with these clashing realities, those comments were not meant to prove to everybody else that im straight, but more to poke fun at my situation.


But, go ahead and believe what you want.

[FindingNamo]

Posted: 8/1/04 at 3:13pm

"isn't this funny. Im going to pretend like im a part of this group and then go home and jump on bww.com and be a part the opposite group."

See, now that's not just sad, it's disturbing. If I were you I wouldn't be able to live with myself. Interesting that in that sentence construct you "pretend" to be part of the homophobic group (that's nice!) and then you come home and are a part of this group?

Which group is this? The homophobes?

[iflitifloat]

Posted: 8/1/04 at 3:17pm

"isn't this funny. Im going to pretend like im a part of this group and then go home and jump on bww.com and be a part the opposite group."

Well, it didn't take much to know that THAT sentence was going to stir up trouble. Uh-oh, I said to myself as I read it....

Bobo, it would serve you well to practice what I like to think of as the NYUniq rule of message board posting: Step back and read what you've written before you post it.

[FindingNamo]

Posted: 8/1/04 at 3:19pm

But the unvarnished post is so much more revelatory, don't you think? I mean, from what I have read of Bobo, this information doesn't surprise me in the least.

[Unknown User]

Posted: 8/1/04 at 3:24pm

Bobo, I guess you were serious about this thread...

Contrary to what some others might think I happen to know there is a "preview" feature to the "Post A Response" screen. One gets to read and edit one's posting before it's actually posted. A novel idea. It's just next to the "Post Message" button. In case you haven't noticed.

J.

[papalovesmambo]

Posted: 8/1/04 at 3:25pm

come my fellow homophones as we storm the bastile of language and find ales for our ails!

oh wait...did you say homophobes? dammit, i told mrs. mambo not to wash my "anita bryant was right" shirt today!

[FindingNamo]

Posted: 8/1/04 at 3:27pm

Duh, it's "Anita Bryant was Way Right."

I know how Bobo feels. I come home from a day at work where I have to pretend I hate people of color and...

Oh, I can't go on.

[papalovesmambo]

Posted: 8/1/04 at 3:30pm

wait, "pretend?" so you lied during that induction ceremony i took you to at the birch society? you are so going to hell. oh, wait, yeah, doubly so now, mr. liar liar pants on fire.

omg! i bet your pants weren't even on fire when you needed all that "help" taking them off! i feel so used.

[FindingNamo]

Posted: 8/1/04 at 3:34pm

It all makes sense now. Homophobes run the country. Bobo "runs the show." Bobo is a common chimp name. Ladies and Gentlemen, the President of the United States...

[Zola Q. LaPlaya]

Posted: 8/1/04 at 3:36pm

"isn't this funny. Im going to pretend like im a part of this group and then go home and jump on bww.com and be a part the opposite group."

Put this one in the National Archives. Yeah, bobo, it's really funny. Funny you're running show. Any show.

[InTheMoney]

Posted: 8/1/04 at 3:39pm

Am I the ONLY person who really couldn't care less if Bobo is straight, gay, bi, in the closet, out of the closet? He could be in Narnia for all I care!!!

So WHAT if he's not really straight? (Though I fail to see how anyone other than Bobo actually knows that. Unless you're pyschic, Namo?) I really don't see how it's anyone's business other than Bobo's. I certainly find it amusing (and slightly offensive) that anyone should presume to turn round and inform him that he's secretly gay. If he got turned on by men in leather then maybe you'd have cause for the argument. But on the basis of the title of this thread? Come on! And how would you like it if he turned round to one of you and said you were secretly straight? You'd be hugely indignant and rightly so. So I fail to see why it's ok to again and again tell someone what sexuality they are. One comment such as "Are you SURE you're straight?" - fair enough. But even IF the poor lad is in the closet you lot pushing at him ain't exactly gonna make him eager to come out. I mean, you aren't exactly coming across very well here guys.

Personally, I read the title as a joke about the fact that 80-90%% (NOT 100%!!!) of men involved in theatre are gay (though in local amdram circles I only know one man who's gay and about 20 who are straight). WHY do people refuse to take things at face value these days?

[Zola Q. LaPlaya]

Posted: 8/1/04 at 3:43pm

Hey, Inthemoney:

Ever heard of Representative Bob Baumann? Ever heard of Representative Enid Waldholz? Ever heard of Reverend Jim Bakker? Ever heard of Roy Cohn?

Ever thought for one second that some of the biggest homophobes are actually closeted homosexuals?

Ever thought what life was like before Will & Grace?

Do I care about whether bobo is gay? Nope. Don't give a rat's patootie. I only care about straight, or gay, or bi people who sit around homophobes all day and let them have their say without speaking truth to power.

[InTheMoney]

Posted: 8/1/04 at 3:49pm

That's fair enough. But I wasn't talking about that so there's no need to start on at me (and actually, no I haven't heard of any of those people). Besides, that would never have come up had people not started pushing Bobo about his sexuality. Ok, he's a coward - fair enough (though must say were I around the British equivalent - BNP thugs - I think I'd keep my mouth shut rather than lose my teeth (or worse). It's a self-preservation thing.). I fail to see how that actually answers my point about people trying to TELL Bobo whether he's straight or not.

[ckeaton]

Posted: 8/1/04 at 3:52pm

Namo, am I off the hook now?
By the way... Rush Limbaugh is a drooling moron.

[Zola Q. LaPlaya]

Posted: 8/1/04 at 3:57pm

You and I agree. I don't think you found me telling bobo any such thing.

To me, sexuality exists across a spectrum and I reject labels. Prejudice and bigotry however work on a different prism in which the only options are black and white, right or wrong, moral or immoral. In order to combat them, gay people often feel compelled to work with those same two options.

Identifying yourself as gay is, to me, a political statement as much as it is a sexual one.

[FindingNamo]

Posted: 8/1/04 at 4:01pm

"And how would you like it if he turned round to one of you and said you were secretly straight? You'd be hugely indignant and rightly so."

Oh, so YOU'RE the psychic now, InTheMoney. That actually does happen to me fairly frequently, and it doesn't perturb me in the least. I often correct the person, sometimes I don't. So your analogy, at least as far as I'm concerned, is faulty.

And believe me, this thread title is not the only place in which BoboNoHomo has posted of his str8ness. And there comes a time in every man's life in which somebody has to say, "Get over yourself, Mary. Yes, we understand you're a hetero." I remember saying that to Rock Hudson. Great guy.

[InTheMoney]

Posted: 8/1/04 at 4:03pm

Fully agree. Though can't say I've ever experienced the whole sexuality in a political sense thing myself. Over here, sexuality doesn't seem to come into politics at all except for when ministers have affairs. We have more problems with (or at least more focus on) people being anti-immigrant and racists (on both sides).

Actually, tell a lie. A gay minister was sacked from the Welsh National Assembly after being caught on Clapham Common. But that was for committing a lewd act in public rather than for being gay - he'd been openly gay for several years.

[Unknown User]

Posted: 8/1/04 at 4:04pm

Zola - you're absolutely right, but coming out does have its ramifications - and those are completely determinate upon the given circumstances. As I understand it (and this may be WAY off base) bobo is a Mormon - and if that's the case, his particular social environment may be very different from other's. That is not to say that he is not in control of whether or not to participate - but some things don't necessarily overide others, like family, or job. These are individual choices that are, at times, agonizingly difficult. And while I agree that allowing hate talk to fester is harmful, he doesn't say he contributes, he just keeps his mouth shut. And I know, I know . . . sins of omission and all that. Again, each person has to make the choices they are capable of at the time, and in consideration of the current circumstances.

[FindingNamo]

Posted: 8/1/04 at 4:05pm

"Look up! Look up!"

[Zola Q. LaPlaya]

Posted: 8/1/04 at 4:07pm

Inthemoney:

You might be forgetting the horrendous Thatcher premiership during which that old hag called for the criminalization (or better yet criminalisation) of homosexuality. I was in school in your country then and the 1980s were not a pretty time to be gay.

Cool Brittania wasn't so groovin' then.

I'm with Namo; I can "pass." And, when it's assumed I'm straight, I'm not indignant.

[papalovesmambo]

Posted: 8/1/04 at 4:16pm

no, i ain't gonna work on maggie's farm no more.

[InTheMoney]

Posted: 8/1/04 at 4:16pm

Er... well, not exactly forgetting it. I was born in '83 so didn't exactly pay much attention to politics during the '80s on account of it didn't involve Barbie or the Care Bears.

And Namo, had you passed over it when Bobo originally corrected you I wouldn't have had an issue. It was the continuous pushing that I was talking about. No way should there have been a 4-page long discussion in which a bloke is told repeatedly he's gay. To my mind, any conversation about a bloke's sexuality should go something like this:

"You SURE you're not gay?"
"Definitely."
"Ok then"

I think you'll agree that the conversation on here has been a tad more forceful than that. That's what I had a problem with. Not the assumption, but the apparent inability to just accept Bobo's assertion that he is straight and leave it at that.

[Unknown User]

Posted: 8/1/04 at 4:19pm

Maybe all the men who claim to be gay in here are only doing it to fit in with the theatre crowd.

[Unknown User]

Posted: 8/1/04 at 4:27pm

There is an underlying pole of being gay is being political that supports certain posters around here.

[FindingNamo]

Posted: 8/1/04 at 4:40pm

"Paging Doctor Freud, Paging Doctor Freud. To Broadwayworld.com, STAT! José is revealing more than he means to, again."