A Century in Musical Theatre awards- Page 2

[MargoChanning]

Posted: 12/8/04 at 1:49am

I'm very, very sad.........

I leave for a few hours and discover that all of the teens and twentysomethings have apparently discovered crack and are creating ill-conceived "CENTURY" awards with absolutely no rhyme or reason....

Please .... I beg all of you ...... PUT THE PIPE DOWN!!!

Or I'll have to call your parents (or else some really mean show queens I know -- whoever I can get on the line first....)

[paradox_error]

Posted: 12/8/04 at 2:20am

Margo...is it not sadder that A TV version of "A Christmas Carol" has been dubbed the Best Overall Musical/Movie in the past Century. And that Jennifer Love Hewitt even gets a mention.
That Ethel Merman, Zero Mostel, Chita Rivera, Howard Keel, Gordon McRae, Carol Channing, Len Cariou, Mary Martin, Elaine Stritch etc etc have not even been given a mention. Nor have Leonard Bernstein, Kander and Ebb, Cy Coleman, Jule Styne, George Gershwin, Bock and Harnick, Lerner and Loewe etc.
It would be impossible to decide these awards in reality, the achievements of all these greats are too profound and too diverse.

[MargoChanning]

Posted: 12/8/04 at 2:24am

Well, this is what happens when you allow cracked out "Swings" to determine all of the nominations.

PUT THE PIPE DOWN !!

[mohonfdu]

Posted: 12/8/04 at 1:30pm

Have you even seen A Christmas Carol the Musical? I dont think you have. It was honestly one of the most heartfelt and had the best written scores since Webbers Starlight Express. If you read any reviews you would have known that people are praising it left and right. And I stand by my vote for Jennifer Love Hewitt because its quite amazing. I urge you to see it before you pass any judgements. And if you are not blown away by Jason Alexander singing "link by link" than there has to be something wrong with you!

[MargoChanning]

Posted: 12/8/04 at 1:34pm

"had the best written scores since Webbers Starlight Express"

THAT good, huh? LOL.....

Again, put the pipe down!

[robbiej]

Posted: 12/8/04 at 1:40pm

I thought the EXACT same thing, Margo.

I was like, 'Does the nominating committe all live together on an ashram and smoke payote?'

[Gypsyking]

Posted: 12/8/04 at 1:52pm

Best Musical-Sweeney Todd

Best Composer-Webber

Best Supporting Actor-Jason Alexander

Best Actress-Bernadette Peters for Gypsy

Best Actor- Gene Kelly

Best Song- Link by Link

Best supporting actress- Jennifer Love Hewitt


Those are my votes. Great Nominations!

[MargoChanning]

Posted: 12/8/04 at 1:52pm

Robbie,

Aren't you a little taken aback at the sheer hubris of someone who apparently has seen about 7 or 8 stage shows and three or four movie musicals and thus feels qualified to come up with a "Century in Musical Theatre Awards." Between the two of us we've easily seen well over a 1000 professional productions (and countless more movies) and notice we don't go around creating ridiculous awards (though we COULD...... hmmmmmm .... maybe later....).

Ah, youth!

[robbiej]

Posted: 12/8/04 at 2:02pm

Margo,

It's simply 'Astonishing' (I guess our little Isabelle Stevenson reincarnate hasn't seen LITTLE WOMEN yet) that such ego exists! Especially in one so young. I suppose it speaks well of public education's push to build up self-esteem more than math skills, but there you have it.

What is it that Chekhov wrote in THE SEAGULL? 'Youth, youth!'

PS The MarRo Awards would be a stellar event, attended by all of the glitterati!

[mohonfdu]

Posted: 12/8/04 at 2:14pm

To Margo and Robbie:

It is obvious you do not like the nominations I have presented. I respect your opinions. However, that does not mean you need to bash them with your arrogant remarks. You are by no means a theatre expert and neither am I. And for the both of you to assume that I was young goes to show how ignorant the both of you really are. I am probably older or if not the same age as you. And I am willing to bet I've seen a lot more shows both here in NYC and at the West End in London. It is obvious that you do not like the fact that I included A Christmas Carol the Musical in the nominations. If you had seen the film and read the reviews I think you would have different thoughts. The arrogance from the two of you is astounding. Open your mind a bit more before you make such stupid comments!

[robbiej]

Posted: 12/8/04 at 2:23pm

I defer to Ms. Channing.

Don't forget to bobbi-pin up your hair, Margo.

[Gypsyking]

Posted: 12/8/04 at 2:25pm

Might I suggest to add some nominations. Perhaps Alan Cummings for Cabaret or even Joel Grey for Cabaret. Both brilliant performances in the same role. How about David Hasselhoff for Jekyll and Hyde for best actor or even Albert Finney for Annie?

[MargoChanning]

Posted: 12/8/04 at 3:12pm

First of all I apologize for mistaking you for someone young, untutored and inexperienced -- it's an understandable mistake considering your "Awards" list. You claim YEARS of theatre-going experience (which I don't believe for a second, by the way) and yet your so-called "Century in Musical Theatre Awards" only includes roughly a dozen different shows (and a handful of movies) from that 100 year period, with no entries from the first half of that century. And in your "experience" you honestly believe Jennifer Love Hewitt gave one of the five finest performances of the CENTURY by an actress in a supporting role??? That Starlight Express is one of the five greatest achievements in musical composition in the last 100+ years???? You most certainly have a right to your opinion and, in turn, we have a right to find those opinions utterly ludicrous and call into serious question your "taste" in and "knowledge" of the subject.

Clearly, as you state, you are no theatre expert -- but I am (I'll let Robbie speak for himself, but I know that he's been a professional working the industry for many years). My training in several theatrical disciplines and extensive work in the field qualifies me as one. And as for your rather weak boast that you've probably "seen a lot more shows both here in NYC and at the West End in London," I gave up counting years ago but my best estimate is that I've seen somewhere between 850 and 1000 professional productions On and Off Broadway, Regionally and in the West End -- over 90 so far this year (over 400 in the last 5 years alone).

As for your touting of what reviews you saw of that Christmas Carol movie, I too saw a few good ones, but more that were mixed-to-negative at best (a couple of two star ones as I recall). Regardless of the critics, going on (AND ON AND ON) about a damn tv movie you saw a week ago like it's some landmark in the history of the musical form, makes you look, well, .... (I'll try to be kind) like someone who hasn't seen very much and lacks the knowledge and perspective and sense of history to be able to make such a bold assessment. It calls everything else you say into question (and your elevating Ms. Love-Hewitt as one of the all time great musical theatre performers doesn't help).

Anyway, enough. If Robbie and I seemed arrogant, it was YOUR own arrogance at putting together such an ill-informed "Awards" List and holding yourself out as some sort of authority on the last 100 Years of Musical Theatre -- which you couldn't be further from being -- that inspired our pointed remarks. Read a few books on musical theatre history, watch some documentaries (some are some excellent ones out there) and see a LOT more shows and then try your list again in a few years.

[Rathnait62]

Posted: 12/8/04 at 3:14pm

I was of the opinion that "Century" means one hundred years. My mistake, apparently.

[robbiej]

Posted: 12/8/04 at 3:15pm

1. I am arrogant.

2. I am an expert in musical theatre.

3. I am the walrus.

Updated On: 12/8/04 at 03:15 PM

[StickToPriest]

Posted: 12/8/04 at 3:34pm

mohonfdu: Don't mess with Margo.


And Margo, the only reason I felt inclined to vote for these awards infused with ignorance is that I could not resist voting for SWEENEY.

Call it weakness. Call it obsession. Call it stupidity of youth.

Pick any of the three, and you're probably right.

Updated On: 12/8/04 at 03:34 PM

[robbiej]

Posted: 12/8/04 at 3:43pm

You're just a Sweeny-whore, Priest.

We all know it.

And we talk about behind your back.

In pm's.

[bjivie2]

Posted: 12/8/04 at 3:51pm

These awards are completely dilussional.

A. To put stage musicals and movie musicals in the same category is ludicrous.

B. A Christmas Carol was composed by Alan Menken.

C. Starlight Express should not be on any list encapsulating the last 100 years of musical theatre.

D. George Hearn did not originate the role of Sweeney, Lan Cariu did.

E. There are more musicals out there than Les Mis, Sweeney Todd and the damn Christmas Carol movie.

[CapnHook]

Posted: 12/8/04 at 3:55pm

I won't participate in this. The recent A CHRISTMAS CAROL musical SURELY was NOT one of the best shows of all of theatre's history! Not the acting, singing, direction, songs, NOTHING ABOUT IT! WHATSOEVER!

How could this even be conceived in your mind???

[gherbert]

Posted: 12/8/04 at 3:57pm

Margo you are my hero.

I am only a teenager and have been seeing theatre since a very young age and found these perposterous as well!

How dare you disregard Ethel Merman, Mary Maritn, Jennifer Holliday, and Elaine Stritch in favor of actress like Jennifer Love Hewitt!!!!!!!! I definitely thought these were a last 2 years in musical awards. And believe you me that this century produced a lot more wealth than Kelsey Grammer in A Christmas Carol the Musical and Idina Menzel.

[gherbert]

Posted: 12/8/04 at 3:57pm

Margo you are my hero.

I am only a teenager and have been seeing theatre since a very young age and found these perposterous as well!

How dare you disregard Ethel Merman, Mary Maritn, Jennifer Holliday, and Elaine Stritch in favor of actress like Jennifer Love Hewitt!!!!!!!! I definitely thought these were a last 2 years in musical awards. And believe you me that this century produced a lot more wealth than Kelsey Grammer in A Christmas Carol the Musical and Idina Menzel.

[gherbert]

Posted: 12/8/04 at 3:57pm

Margo you are my hero.

I am only a teenager and have been seeing theatre since a very young age and found these perposterous as well!

How dare you disregard Ethel Merman, Mary Maritn, Jennifer Holliday, and Elaine Stritch in favor of actress like Jennifer Love Hewitt!!!!!!!! I definitely thought these were a last 2 years in musical awards. And believe you me that this century produced a lot more wealth than Kelsey Grammer in A Christmas Carol the Musical and Idina Menzel.

[StickToPriest]

Posted: 12/8/04 at 3:57pm

"Lan Cariu"
Or Len Cariou.


And robbie, is that a good thing or a bad thing?
Should I be concerned?

[gherbert]

Posted: 12/8/04 at 3:59pm

Oh, and Starlight Express is an atrocious musical in my opinion.

[robbiej]

Posted: 12/8/04 at 3:59pm

Sweeney-whore!!!!

We're gonna make you wear a great big scarlett 'S'!