A Wicked inconsistency — Page 2

The characters Wizard and the Witch's Father are two different people. The character "the Witch's Father" is not her real father. Also, when George Hern was the Wizard, David Ayers did the dancing. Now a black actor does it (I heard that it was Ben himself, but I don't know for sure).

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"I take it all in stride-it's meant to be a fun, CLEAN musical...that's why I love it. And that's why it didn't win the Tony award..."
I don't have a problem with Wicked not winning the Tony Award (though I do think the Avenue Q's producers acted unethically to secure their win and if it had been a bigger musical pulling that....), but I disagree with your reasoning why. Lots of cute, clean musicals have won the big award. Millie and Hairspray are just two very recent examples.

Updated On: 7/30/05 at 03:20 PM

"wicked" IS an inconsistency.

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Around Tony voting time Avenue Q was hitting up road producers for their vote, since getting the touring 'Best Musical' is a big draw of course. While at the same time the Q producers were making their deal with Wynn to play at his hotel in Vegas only and had plans already to not go on tour at all.

A few road voters were quoted in the Post after the fact saying that if they'd known Q had no plans to tour they would have voted for Wicked for Best Musical instead.

(At least that's the way I remember it all happening, pls feel free to correct)

I've always found this "inconsistency" interesting. Correct me if this is actually supposed to be confusing in the show or if I've spotted one of the problems in Wicked's book.

**spoiler**

When Morrible and the Wizard recruit Elphie to put spells on the monkeys, Elphaba realizes that she is there because the Wizard actually can't read spells. In fact, Elphaba says, "You have no real power." And the Wizard says, "That's why I need you." And then at the end of the show when Elphaba is "dead" and we learn that Elphaba is the Wizard's child, Morrible says, "That's why [Elphaba] had such power. She was a child of both worlds." Uhh... just a second ago you said that the Wizard had no power? How is this an explanation?

If I'm wrong, please correct me, but I think I've pointed out something suspicious!

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Jeeeeeezzz. I apologize for not understanding. I won't comment anymore. Just like you want it.

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Jeeeeeeeez indeed. I just don't understand how people can not understand something from the show, and then still not understand it when it has been explained at least two times on this thread. I couldn't care less if you keep posting or not.

jonart: That is a good idea...

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Thenardier,

You wrote: Mis Pennywise - let it go and accept it. Consider Nebraska and Oz to be two different dimensions. The clashing of dimensions can have a crazy affect on someone.

But if you are willing to accept that the clashing of these two worlds and the green vile turned a girl green, accept that she also gained some power.

"The clashing of dimensions can have a crazy effect on someone" is as good an "explanation" as I've gotten. Thanks, Thenardier. But still, let's be honest, it's a throw-away line. It's like "This town just ain't big enough for the two of us" or "He was never meant for this world" or any of those pat answers that a character uses to bring closure to a story.

So, thank you, for gently trying to persuade me. I sincerely appreciate it. I still think that it's a stupid thing for Morrible to say, but that's okay because there are LOTS of stupid things spoken in LOTS of plays, musical, songs, movies and so forth.

What I find offensive on this thread is posters talking to people who question the "logic" or "deduction" of this line like they're idiots. "Following the storyline" isn't a problem. The subject of this thread is "inconsistency" and posters are pointing out flaws in the show that they find troubling or distracting. Forget the novel, forget the MGM movie, forget the original L. Frank Baum stories. The show "Wicked" has to stand on its own as a work, and while it does so in my personal catalogue of successful productions, it does have its imperfections--which the Wicked-Haters consistently point out.

I don't understand why I can't find something annoying without having people become all condescending and sanctimonious with me. It's such a minor, petty, unimportant point, really. As another iconic musical said, it's "Easy to Be Hard." Maybe we can all put forth a little effort and be kinder. But somehow I doubt that's going to happen on this board. It's like anonymity and a public forum allow people to play god. There are plenty of things people on this board like or think that I don't share, but I don't feel the need to make them feel stupid. And if I have ever done so, I apologize for it because I, too, have my flaws.

Enough. Sorry to go on and on. I love reading your posts, Thenardier, and I love your name...one of my favorite--perhaps even my MOST favorite--characters in Les Miz. Another great show--flaws and all ! (I have like 6 different versions of Les Miz. I LOVE the original French.)

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Updated On: 8/1/05 at 11:50 AM

JoMarch, have you been watching Lennon?

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You'd like Lennon. It's ideal for moralistic faux-peacenik people like you.

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