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#1

BATMAN The Musical


Don't know if this against the rules, or anything, (if so: PM me or remove the topic) but I have created this campaign website for BATMAN THE MUSICAL to be staged by Warner Bros. Theatre Ventures if LESTAT succeeds...

For those unaware: in 1999 Warner Bros. announced they'd be forming a Theatre Wing as competition to Disney: and their first show would be Batman. Jim Steinman was tapped as the composer, with David Ives on Book and Lyrics (and later rumours that Tim Burton would direct). In 2002, the rumours on Tim Burton came out (and he's apparently denied all involvement with the production: so I'll have to edit my site for a little) but if anyone's interested in checking this out, and helping me and a few friends to begin a nasty LONG campaign to stage this fascinating musical (some of the most amazing music I have heard from a show since Sunday in the Park with George) then join in...

www.freewebs.com/musicalbatman

Who can explain it, who can tell you why? Fools give you reasons, wise men never try -South Pacific

Updated On: 10/20/05 at 02:16 AM

#2

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you did that with freewebs??? wow. I'm impressed. you must be paying for it. cool site though. not having a demo sucks and I hope the music is good because those lyrics need work. but in the end since there's a superman musical there should be a batman musical... there just should be.
#3

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I did it all for free. I just chose an Advanced Freewebs that can load frontpage and etc. I worked on it for three nights flat, a lot of coffee, and then got back to school and work and couldn't even think I was that buggered! LOL.

I've tried to use as much professional quotes as possible, and cutting down on the speculation: but the music to that song which you mentioned (which probably won't be up for much longer) is absolutely thrilling, I tell you. I just wish there was a CD of some type that someone could release to show everyone. There is a Superman musical, and it has some amazing moments: but this one is really good too.

It's not usual Steinman.. but I've got some guys over hear, and me, who are pushing for it not to be forgotten by Warner Bros. in the light of Lestat. As they say: a good musical is never really lost.. or forgotten


Who can explain it, who can tell you why? Fools give you reasons, wise men never try -South Pacific
#4

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They would need to change the title because it MIGHT get mixed up with Bat Boy: The Musical

Am I cut out to spend my time this way?

Updated On: 10/20/05 at 06:32 AM

#5

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I'd settle for changing "The Musical" bit. The way Steinman's written it doesn't imply that it's a silly "The Musical" concept like i.e. Planet of the Apes the Musical

I can picture a silhouette of Batman, on the roofs of Gotham City, with a light shining on him, over the words:

BATMAN
THE DARK KNIGHT

or

BATMAN
THE CAPED CRUSADER




Who can explain it, who can tell you why? Fools give you reasons, wise men never try -South Pacific
#6

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If there is ANY musical that should NEVER be made, this is it.
#7

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oh, please. no one is going to confuse it with batboy. if anything batboy is still today confused as being a batman musical...
#8

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I'd agree with that: and Batman was rumoured BEFORE Batboy even came along. And, for your knowledge, ANY musical in the world can be done: it's all in HOW it's done. You'd probably have said the same thing in 1979 when Sondheim was working on a musical about cannibals and eating people in pies... or when Andrew Lloyd Webber was writing a musical about Cats

LOL

Who can explain it, who can tell you why? Fools give you reasons, wise men never try -South Pacific
#9

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I love Batman. I love musical theater. But somehow, I just don't see the two working well together, but it would awesome if it did.
#10

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I loved Cats. I loved Musical Theatre. I didn't see how they would work together either. And a musical about 'The Wretched Ones'. There are no laughs! And what about trains? Vampires in Germany? So many many musicals that have gone before, which we never thought would work, and they still amaze us today.

Batman, from what I've heard, is up there: and, at times, often beyond

Who can explain it, who can tell you why? Fools give you reasons, wise men never try -South Pacific
#11

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I agree that anything can be turned into a musical, and yes, a Batman musical could work, but it would have to be done in a very original way (The old-fashioned book musical approach that Charles Strouse et al took to Superman way back when would not work here). I think it would have to be VERY theatrical, and would perhaps work best in a theater in the round setting (although there are no such theaters on Broadway), so Batman could swing around and stuff. Batman just standing around in his costume singing for two and half hours just wouldn't cut it.
#12

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All I have to say is Spiderman + U2= The biggest flop in history
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#13

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but see a musical would probably call for bruce wayne to be out of the batman costume singing a lot because the emotional songs will probably be more interested in bruce and why he became batman then batman himself...
#15

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I wouldn't say that Cats and musical theater really worked together. They were combined, but they definitely didn't work.

I don't think most Batman fans are going to want to see this musical anymore than theater fans do, so I don't know who they think will be the audience for this. Tourists who got lost on their way to Universal Studios?
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#16

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what is "working" in your definition then? I'm trying not to get defensive although comparing cats to batman was a crapshot anyway, but why did cats not work? what about it doesn't work for the musical stage?
#17

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I can appreciate Cats for its dancing. But to me, it's like Movin' Out or something- not really complete musical theater, because musical theater is about a cohesive combination of the music, the lyrics, the story, the singing, the characters/actors, as well as the dancing, not focusing on one aspect at the expense of all others. That's why things like operas and ballets aren't in the same category as musical theater- there may be some acting involved, but it's not their main focus, just an embellishment.
Like a firework unexploded
Wanting life but never knowing how

Updated On: 10/21/05 at 02:20 PM

#18

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I dunno. Things seem to become a little more twisted when it comes to Jim Steinman. You cant trust your senses. Everything he writes either blows you away in a good or a bad way. There's nothing in a medium


Who can explain it, who can tell you why? Fools give you reasons, wise men never try -South Pacific
#19

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i don't know about this one. i'm a huge comic book fan. i love BATMAN, SUPERMAN, X-MEN, etc. but i just don't see these properties working as musicals.

the funnier strips like PEANUTS, LI'L ABNER and ORPHAN ANNIE lent themeselves easier to a musical treatment but something like BATMAN as a musical only smacks of a cheap POTO rip off to me.

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Marquise, you have to hear Not Allowed to Love

Who can explain it, who can tell you why? Fools give you reasons, wise men never try -South Pacific
#21

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Spiderman + U2= The biggest flop in history

Wasn't it Batman and U2? They did a song for one of the Schumacher sequels. The song was OK...the movie, don't get me started.

I'm not really seeing comics and musicals coming together. And I like Jim Steinman. Batman's a great story, I can't see the guy standing there belting out a number with the cowl and the cape.

And yes, I know the Phantom wears a mask and a cape, but he lived under an opera house and wrote music. Batman can't sing while he's fighting the Joker.

What villians would be used in a musical? Would Commisioner Gordon have a song? The idea is scaring me more and more...

And I can't think of a Superman musical without thinking of the Mighty Mouse song.

Would X-Men be next? Hugh Jackman is an awesome Wolverine...but somehow I don't see him onstage with his adamantium claws belting out an 11:00 number about Weapon X.

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I'm not trying to be close minded here but the whole idea just sounds awful regardless of the execution. And Steinman is such a hack you just know Bat Outta Hell would be in there somewhere. Lets pray this doesn't happen. Not that I wouldn't love to see how awful it was, but I hate to think of good actors wasting their time on something that is just gonna tank after they all put in hard work to get it onstage.
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#23

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Jim Steinman a hack? So...

Jim Steinman composes, co-arranges and co-produces the third greatest selling album in the history of rock and roll, the greatest selling album in the history of Australia (still going strong), and the greatest selling debut album until Jagged Little Pill by Alanis Morrissette. Is that a hack? Jim Steinman composes, co-arranges and co-produces his own solo album, when Meat Loaf's voice goes bust, and it (surprisingly) with some of the worst vocals of all time goes platinum status on the charts: and kicks the hell out of Meat Loaf's (eventual) follow-up Dead Ringer. I wouldn't call that a hack.

Jim Steinman composes, arranges and produces... oh... this little song called Total Eclipse of the Heart (which you wouldn't know about) which, is not only one of the most instantly recognizable love ballads of all time, but: against a song called Making Love out of Nothing at All (also penned by Steinman) scored him a simultaneous No. 1 and 2 on the charts: and won him a Grammy for Best Selling Album of the Year: not to mention the album with Bonnie Tyler which became the first highest charting album from a British singer in history. Jim Steinman a hack? I don't think so!

Holding Out for a Hero is apart of Footloose, the second (probably) most instantly recognizable love-romp of all time, recently revived in one of the most profitable sequels of all time: Shrek 2 by Dreamworks. Jim Steinman a hack? You don't say! Jim Steinman scores ELEVEN NUMBER ONES: Two Out of Three Ain't Bad, Paradise by the Dashboard Light, Dead Ringer for Love, Making Love out of Nothing at All, Total Eclipse of the Heart (TWICE! and a third time in France), Holding Out for a Hero, I'd do Anything for Love But I Won't do That (the fastest selling rock single in the history of rock), Rock and Roll Dreams Come Through (a hit for him twice: once on his solo album, and second on Bat 2 with Meat Loaf), It's all Coming Back to me Now (Song of the Year 1997 for the most radio-play and broadcast that year) and NO MATTER WHAT Boyzone. And get this!! NO MATTER WHAT, with 18 million copies sold in the year of 1998, makes it the highest selling single in the history of MUSICAL THEATRE: according to the stats I have seen: and pretty much public knowledge as Lloyd Webber's biggest hit since Any Dream Will Do (Carribean) and Don't Cry for me Argentina. Not even PHANTOM scored this big! So... Jim Steinman a hack? Pardon me!

Whistle Down the Wind plays to four phenomenal years in London's Aldwych, does a fair enough run and spreads the buzz that it's something unique. Tanz der Vampire, before it was savaged and butchered and beaten on Broadway, is the most phenomenal musical success in the history of Germany: keep in mind that it's the land of Wagner and Beethoven, and opened in VIENNA, and is more successful than even their great works in their time. So... Jim Steinman a hack? I don't think so. Tanz der Vampire directed by Roman Polanski? Is he a hack? Goodness gracious. Goodness gracious me!!

Andrew Lloyd Webber a hack? Oh goodness. He may be one of the most successful profiting composers of the latter 20th century: and he's done more than Rodgers and Hammerstein in their years of collaboration: and has probably made more success than any living composer on the planet. Whistle Down the Wind is also yards ahead of (about) six of his more failed productions, so it's ridiculous to call that a flop: just because no one knows about and (furthermore) does not care too... Which is called IGNORANCE. Which means it's IGNORANCE IS BLISS (or Ignorance is PISS in my language) which is sad

Batman, by Tim Burton, the biggest seller at the box office in 1989 (and probably the most phenomenal seller at the box office ever: according to most GIGANTIC film encyclopaedias I've read across eight years! and all of them share the same info). Jim Steinman has had more success, in his records, that even Lloyd Webber is envious of. Just because Garbo was a stinker, and Dnace of the Vampires got screwed up, is no reason to walk around and say "oh, Jim Steinman's a hack"

And Batman not working? Well... Let's play a game, shall we? "Hey, sir. Will you produce a musical I wrote about Cats?" "NO!!". So a young little gnome gets two-hundred investors to raize the money, and 21 years later, they're filthy stinking rich and it's the longest running show in the history of Broadway. Also, a show about miserable wretches with little to no comic relief. Look at it now. It's playing, at least, somewhere inthe world: with a rendition of DO YOU HEAR THE PEOPLE SING every ten minutes. And a musical about a cannibal barber and his accomplice, who cook people in pies, a stunning success, and a currently well-done revival: should be a success all over again. It's amazing how different things seem to be.. when you believe anything is possible. They believed anything is possible and look what happened

Or, are you contented (forevermore) to sit back and watch endless, countless revivals taking over the world and kicking back the young ones. That argument goes to you Jen. I rest my case. Don't let me start quoting from the papers, and anything I can, to prove that yet again Jim Steinman is ANYTHING but a hack. Good-day



Who can explain it, who can tell you why? Fools give you reasons, wise men never try -South Pacific

Updated On: 10/25/05 at 01:55 AM

#24

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What are you raving at me for? I'm not the one who called Steinman a hack. I like his music.

Of course anything could probably work as a musical...Cats, Les Miz, and Sweeney are great examples of unlikely musicals.

But I don't SEE Batman working as musical. I love Batman--the comics, two of the movies, the roller coaster at Six Flags. But I want to see sequels to the superb "Batman Begins." Not singing Batman.

Could it work? Sure. I'm just not interested.

And FYI: Tim Burton's Batman is not the most phenomenally selling film of all time--I believe still belongs to "Titanic." And I didn't like that musical either.



#25

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I wasn't 'raving' at you. I was 'raving' at Mr. Magnum

The evidence, from thousands of papers and criticisms worldwide (across thirty years), and his countless achievements, prove that Jim Steinman is anything but a hack...

And, personally, I think that a Batman musical could work. When I see the first film, time after time (and I'm a big Batman fan - comics, films etc.) all I can SEE (in a matter of fact I half-expect it to) is the characters breaking into song...

And definitely in regards to Joker and Catwoman


Who can explain it, who can tell you why? Fools give you reasons, wise men never try -South Pacific

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