But Never Jam Today

[romgitsean]

Posted: 8/25/11 at 1:14pm

Did anyone ever see this while it was on Broadway? I am a huge Alice fan and just came across it... the clips available I've heard on the internet sound truly terrible, but in the so-bad-its-good kind of way. Thoughts?

[egghumor]

Posted: 8/25/11 at 1:28pm

I saw it. UGH! Probably one of the 5 biggest bombs I've ever witnessed -- and NOTHING camp or "fun" about it. Visually anemic and cheap. The single set looked like an oversized picnic table. The direction by Vinnette Carroll was dull and dumb and the score was lousy. Lynne Thigpen tried her best with her role, but the show also possessed some shockingly bad acting.

The one redeeming aspect of the show was its poster. Have you seen it?

[husk_charmer]

Posted: 8/25/11 at 1:40pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DrjIVhIeGnw

This is far more fitting.

[WhizzerMarvin]

Posted: 8/25/11 at 1:46pm

I have a poster and love it! I never got to see it, but the score has some fun/campy moments and I listen to the demos from time to time.

I would love for But Never Jam Today and Alice (the Debbie Allen version) to be performed in rep somewhere.

[romgitsean]

Posted: 8/25/11 at 3:32pm

Has Debbie Allen's Alice ever been performed besides in its tryout? I haven't been able to find anything (posters, cast list, recordings) about it.

[WithoutATrace]

Posted: 8/25/11 at 3:40pm

I own an ALICE playbill, but I am still looking for the window card, and I am certain there was never an official recording made of the production.

I also have a BUT NEVER JAM TODAY playbill and window card and I also own the demo. It has some really great songs actually. I would love to see this revived at Mufti.

[egghumor]

Posted: 8/25/11 at 4:15pm

[egghumor]

Posted: 8/25/11 at 4:18pm

[missthemountains]

Posted: 12/24/14 at 2:22am

Does anyone have a recording of this show? It's the oldest excuse in the book but I am literally asking for a friend. Lol.

[Jungle Red]

Posted: 12/24/14 at 5:51am

I didn't even know this was a thing.

[ARTc3]

Posted: 12/24/14 at 5:58am

Saw it and it truly was awful. Love Vinnette Carroll though. Loved many of the Off-Broadway shows she did at The Urban Arts Corp, particularly, Bury the Dead. That was many years ago.

[Mr Roxy]

Posted: 12/24/14 at 10:52am

I saw it as well. It was the Plan 9 From Outer Space of musicals.

[JayG 2]

Posted: 12/25/14 at 6:57am

It was beyond boring. The only thing I remember is Lynne Thigpen singing s song called " And Yhey Call the Hatter Mad," or some such thing. Interesting song in otherwise dismal score.

[CarlosAlberto]

Posted: 12/29/14 at 4:02pm

Here's some information on Vinnette Carroll's first try at a musical based on Lewis Carroll's ALICE IN WONDERLAND. ALICE featured songs by Micki Grant (DON'T BOTHER ME, I CAN'T COPE, YOUR ARMS TOO SHORT TO BOX WITH GOD) and was co-produced by none other than Mike Nichols.

DEBBIE ALLEN was featured as Alice with a cast that included Alice Ghostley, Cleavant Derricks and his brother Clinton Derricks-Carroll and Paula Kelly.

It was supposed to open at the Minskoff but closed in Philadelphia
LOOKING BACK: ALICE

[Mr Roxy]

Posted: 12/29/14 at 4:06pm

So not a candidate for Encores.

[CarlosAlberto]

Posted: 12/29/14 at 4:12pm

"Alice" closed during its pre-Broadway tryout at the Forrest Theatre in Philadelphia. The show was reworked by director Vinnette Carroll, and opened on Broadway as "But Never Jam Today" in 1979.

Updated On: 12/29/14 at 04:12 PM

[CarlosAlberto]

Posted: 12/29/14 at 4:12pm

[WOSQ]

Posted: 12/29/14 at 4:31pm

Vinnette Carroll was the first woman to be nominated for a Tony Award for directing a musical and maybe a play or a musical. However it was not for Alice or Jam but for Micki Grant's musical revue "Don't Bother Me, I Can't Cope".

By all accounts both Alice and But Never Jam were troubled productions. "But Never Jam Today" probably had no advance and could have gone through its reserve during pre-production and previews so that it had to close after a week. I think it also opened mid-summer--not a good time to bring a musical with no names into town.

But one very funny put down line came out of Alice as was related to me by a cast member. When Vinnette who was legendarily funny, needed to make a point strongly, she would say "F*** you darling...and anyone who looks like you too."

[Mr Roxy]

Posted: 12/29/14 at 4:39pm

Is that THE Mike Nichols on the program?

[WOSQ]

Posted: 12/29/14 at 4:49pm

No, it is Mike Nichols from Peoria.

Of course it is THE Mike Nichols. Everyone has a few bombs and failures on their resume. If all people had were successes, how would they learn anything?

"No one learns anything from a hit." -Moss Hart

[MJ536]

Posted: 4/24/18 at 9:07pm

Do you know of any recordings or videos?? I can't find anything!

[MJ536]

Posted: 4/24/18 at 9:09pm

Do you know where any recordings or videos are available? I can't seem to find anything!

[teatime2]

Posted: 4/25/18 at 12:38am

I opened this thread expecting to see a link to Ms. Carol Channing's iconic (star) turn in the made for dvd (tv?) version of Alice in Wonderland

[WithoutATrace]

Posted: 7/22/19 at 1:29pm

This show was in previews 40 years ago! Opened on July 31, 1979. Still hoping and praying that we will see BUT NEVER JAM TODAY revived...and Brenda Braxton should play Persona Non Grata!  A guy can dream...