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#2

re: Disney gets ready to play 'musical chairs' with some of its Broadway musicals

The audiences will decide whether these shows are good or not, but I for one am glad Disney is putting so much energy and effort into producing shows on Broadway.

Time for the other major theatre producers to catch up... or put on a pair of mouse ears and holler "uncle."
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#3

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Exactly. I'm tired of everyone saying Disney is taking over Broadway. Taking over? Bah! So they had three hit shows running at once - who cares? So they're moving Lion King, adding Mary Poppins and Tarzan, and later Little Mermaid.

EVERYTHING from Disney has been superb thus far! ESPECIALLY AIDA!

Personally, I think it's time for BEAUTY & THE BEAST to close. It was very fresh in the '90s when it opened. But now I think there's no reason to keep it on Broadway. They should tour with it again. I think they'd make more money that way - and then they could use the theatre for Little Mermaid.

Anyway, back to topic - Disney Theatricals is doing EVERYTHING right! They know how to make a good show, how to promote and market it, how to tool the show so it makes more money...just everything a good producer/production team needs to do. They bring in the right creative people - they just do everything right!

The only weak factor I see in their shows are two things: 1) that a good portion of the show is spectacle where it doesn't need to be, and 2) the script. The script is written towards family audiences. They have to kiddie it down so children are entertained, can understand, and aren't overwhelmed. This bothers me. Even though their shows are brilliant artistically - I feel like the story moves slow for me.

AIDA was better, however. LOVED it! But there were book problems. ALL of Radames' Father's songs could have been cut. They're all good, but take the tone of the show to a bad level within the story.
"The Spectacle has, indeed, an emotional attraction of its own, but, of all the parts, it is the least artistic, and connected least with the art of poetry. For the power of Tragedy, we may be sure, is felt even apart from representation and actors. Besides, the production of spectacular effects depends more on the art of the stage machinist than on that of the poet."
--Aristotle
#4

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I am also a big fan of Disney. Let's face it, the days of a one man producer, a la Cameron Macintosh, is gone. Nowadays, producers needs corporate backing or a lot of other producers to come together and produce shows. Disney does a great job in targetting their market and produce a product which is well liked by the general public.

Kudos to them.
#5

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I think their biggest contribution to the current theatre scene isn't actually the shows themselves, but their marketing approach. The "old school" methods of selling a Broadway show to the masses were archaic for the most part until Disney came to town.

They chose to market and promote their shows like their hit movies... and it worked (obviously). Imagine if Disney had produced "Piazza." That show would be EVERYWHERE right now (all forms of advertising across the country), and they would figure out ways to sell this story to all age groups and walks of life. They would use unconventional methods and tie-ins that most Broadway producers hadn't even thought about.

In my opinion, that's what is making them so successful now. Time for everyone else to play catch-up.


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Updated On: 9/29/05 at 11:39 AM

#6

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Disney put together VISIUALLY amazing shows! Not to mention shows that are definatly safe to take kids to! I agree completely that Beauty and the Beast needs to close! I wouldn't say I am worried that Disney is taking over. I find it great that at least there is interest at all in Broadway! I am just worried about nameless artists being shadowed by the corporation.
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#7

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"The only weak factor I see in their shows are two things: 1) that a good portion of the show is spectacle where it doesn't need to be, and 2) the script. The script is written towards family audiences. They have to kiddie it down so children are entertained, can understand, and aren't overwhelmed. This bothers me. Even though their shows are brilliant artistically - I feel like the story moves slow for me. "

I somewhat agree. First, I don't think anything Disney has done is at all brilliantly artistic. The costumes for B&B aren't at all creative. The Lion King's designs are too bland, and I see nothing inventive about the costumes and puppetry. The score is bland and the book trite. Disney is better off with AIDA, though that was an awful show, where they are creating a new work instead of exploiting their catelogue for financial gain (it's more about "branding" than money). Perhaps they should invest in quality shows from other artists, as opposed to continuously stupidify and insult its adult audience. There is so much out there that they could easily find new material to produce. They should use their money for good instead of evil. And they should stop hiring pop artists to score these shows!!!!
#9

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Beauty and the Beast has become my "safe" show in NYC. Anytime that I can't get tickets to something else and am HIGHLY disappointed, I always know that I can count on Beauty. Now, I know that may have come out wrong as if I were saying it doesnt sell well...that's not what I mean though. In all honesty, I LOVE THAT SHOW! It's a beautiful story and personally one of my favorite Broadway shows EVER. I would however, LOVE to see this go back on tour...I'd hate it to go to Vegas...Vegas is more of an Ave. Q/Hairspray kind of town...


But I too am very sick of the "Disney Domination" theory that so many have adopted. I could totally understand that argument if Beauty, Lion King, and Aida had all been complete flops...Then it would be like Disney pushing something that just wasn't there. But they've all been smash hits at some point with Lion King STILL being one of the hottest tickets on the Great White Way.

I do love Beauty though, and I Love it where it is...so I would like to see it stay there as long as it can. I think once it gets down to the 50% mark for an extended period of time...that's when it should close and go on tour. It may not sell like crazy on Broadway with all of the other shows that people could see. But for all of the people NOT able to go see a show every time they snap their fingers...A tour would be a great idea! (AND FOR THE LOVE, COME TO CHARLOTTE!!)

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#11

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Most probably, Beauty will close for one of the future shows like Mermaid or Aladdin (and it should...while I loved the film...the tour I saw was terrible).

My only question is, with all these Disney musicals at the same time, will there be room for other original musicals (assuming these will all run for years)?
#12

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"My only question is, with all these Disney musicals at the same time, will there be room for other original musicals (assuming these will all run for years)?"

There are PLENTY of Broadway houses for new works. I don't think this will be a problem.

Also, I love that they expect to recoup their investment for TARZAN before previews. $10 Mil in Group sales alone before individual tickets go on sale! WOW!! So much for all the cinics! Does anyone smell Humble Pie???

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Updated On: 9/29/05 at 02:22 PM

#14

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I feel so oddly conflicted now whenever I talk about Disney's involvement on Broadway. On one hand, you have to thank Disney immensely for forcing New York City to clean up Times Square and make it family friendly. On the same note, though, their reasoning behind it wasn't exactly humble. It's obvious Disney is trying to build an empire on Broadway. It's business, I totally understand that. There's really nothing wrong with it, either. There's pleanty of space and hell, if they do start building their own theatres, you're really not taking away anything. I don't really harass Disney for their business, they've found something that works and stick to it. That's a good business plan. What I do harass Disney for is with that obvious egotistical gusto in which they put these shows on. An excellant point in that article is how they're already working on Aladdin, which won't open for 2-3 years, while Tarzan hasn't even opened yet. If you're going to be lazy and simply rely on trodden and true movies as almost identical basis for your show (not just basing the musical, but practically trying to recreate the exact thing on stage), please just take the time to make sure it's at least good! Sure, Disney's great at marketing and all that; pre-selling $10 Million in tickets is no laughing matter, but does it insure that it will be a good show? No. Does the simple fact that it's Disney mean it's a bad show? No. Beauty and the Beast is a great family show and stands on it's own, Lion King...well, without Julie Taymor, Lion King would have died. it's a great example of a show where people go to see the spectacle instead of the performances (a lil Cameron Macintosh theory there...hehe). I guess, when it all comes down to it, I can't blame Disney for doing what their doing because they can and there's a large audience for it....not to mention the rebirth of Times Sqaure they've helped usher in (despite the horrid amount of commericialization and disney-fication that it's becoming....it's still better than porn everywhere...lol) I guess I just wish they'd take more time on their shows and churn out one or two really good shows, as opposed to 4 or 5 mediocre ones. Of course, this all being said, every single show could become a major hit and actually be wonderful....but looking at their track record, I don't know if Disney can pull that off. Alas, we shall wait and see. All I know is that in 10 years, I don't want to be taking my kids to see a show on Mouseway. re: Disney gets ready to play 'musical chairs' with some of its Broadway mu
#15

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I don't mind Disney on Broadway, there doing amazing things for the theater, but at the same time, i wish they wouldn't gut their own catelogue to put shows on Broadway. I wish they would help produce new shows by lesser known composers or something along those lines, help get new shows out there that don't have Disney backing them. I think adding Aladdin is a little much. Pochahantas (sp?) would be awesome, but Aladdin i think is just a little much, its a little too much Disney. I know there are tons of other theaters on Broadway, but if Disney dominates the top 5-6 big theaters, then all the other shows are forced to open in smaller houses and theres no room for the other big shows to open. Times Square is just going to become another disneyland.
#16

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CJWesselman, you contradict yourself.

You said: "An excellant point in that article is how they're already working on Aladdin, which won't open for 2-3 years, while Tarzan hasn't even opened yet."

Then later say: "I guess I just wish they'd take more time on their shows and churn out one or two really good shows, as opposed to 4 or 5 mediocre ones. Of course, this all being said, every single show could become a major hit and actually be wonderful....but looking at their track record, I don't know if Disney can pull that off."

They ARE taking their time with shows, as evidenced by the fact that as you admit, they're already working on Aladdin, which won't be seen until sometime in 2008. Little Mermaid has been talked about since about 2002. You cannot say they just churn out shows. They spend a long time developing these shows, and actually scrap shows that aren't working. Remember the show about the basketball players that Susan Lori-Parks was writing the book for? Obviously they've abandoned that project.

Whether or not their shows are any good is completely in the eyes of the beholder. Two of the three Disney shows (Aida excepted) opened to solid reviews. One is a Tony winner for Best Musical. One is the sixth longest running show in Broadway history, one is still playing to capacity houses after 8 years. The public has obviously responded to these shows in a VERY positive way.

Every single show HAS become a major hit, and with Tarzan's advance sale of $10 million, that trend will continue. You speak of their track record, wondering if they can pull it off. Again, going strictly by that track record, they're 3 for 3, about to become 4 for 4.

You said: "What I do harass Disney for is with that obvious egotistical gusto in which they put these shows on."

Would you prefer they didn't promote their shows, and just threw them up onstage and said, "Well, we'll see what happens"? Again, I think their promotion of their product shows their committment to theater. When they do a show, they don't cut corners. They go all out. We need more producers who put on shows with as much "gusto" as Disney does.
#18

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no matter what anyones opinion is..if you havent worked in big corporation..trust me..be cautious..disney has more than "putting on a show" in their plans or on their agenda. they should be monitored constantly for what they do and you should not become complacent.
be very cautious.
#19

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no matter what anyones opinion is..if you havent worked in big corporation..trust me..be cautious..disney has more than "putting on a show" in their plans or on their agenda. they should be monitored constantly for what they do and you should not become complacent.
be very cautious.


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#20

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CJWesselman - it seems like you just have something against Disney... while I certainly understand a distrust of large corporations... the negative things you say about Disney on Broadway... don't really seem to have much basis in reality.

1.)The Lion King is so remarkable because Disney trusted such an artist outside of the commercial mainstream with such a huge production... The Lion King wouldn't have died without Julie Taymor... it never would have been born... The Lion King exsists BECAUSE of Julie Taymor and BECAUSE Disney give her that opportunity...
2) Disney takes a VERY long time to create it's shows... how long has The Little Mermaid been in creation... The Lion King took a long road... Aida was completely restaged... in fact can you imagine another coproration letting a production grow for that long...
3.)If you have an issue with egotism in producers... you shouldn't frequent the theater... which is deeply rooted in the egos of it's famous producers... Disney's "obvious egotistical gusto" does not hold a candle to Ziegfeld... Merrick... and on and on... have an ego is part of being a producer...
4.) Finally... Disney does not seem to be interested in merely recreating their movies... as you and many others have stated... while The Lion King and Mary Poppins are both indeed Disney movies... and a lot of the movies can be found in those stage show... you would be foolish to call them recreations... The Lion King is the story of the cartoon infused with seemingly boundless human creativity and imagination... it is not a direct translation of that movie (how what that even be possible)... to think that all Julie Taymor did was put The Lion King on stage as is... is a complete underestimation of a remarkable achievement... she took images, characters, theme, and story from the film and using Asian, African, and Broadway vocabulary produced a work that mostly stands on it's own... to think otherwise (even if you dislike The Lion King) is factually incorrect... As for Mary Poppins... they took what was a highly entertaining childrens entertainment... and turned it into something richer, deeper, and real resonance... wether you agree or disagree with probing the subtext of Mary Poppins or not... it is NOT merely re-stating the movie... and finally... if you think it is at all possible to recreate THE LITTLE MERMAID (!) on stage as is... I think you should contact the Disney people because you must have powers of creation heretofor unknown to the human race... do you suggest the whole thing be created underwater? What about when the sea witch grows to the size of a skyskraper? Do you know any Broadway Diva's of a certain age that can pull off that trick?

Disney has created works with moments of real artistic accomplishments... created by real THEATRICAL artists...Julie Taymor... Robert Falls... Mathew Bourne... Bob Crowley... David Henry Hwang... Richard Eyre... Pichon Baldinu...

So... there!
(sticks out tounge and runs away)

kc
Jesus saves. I spend.
#21

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Beauty and the Beast won't close until it consistently loses money week-to-week.

Tarzan (unless Disney uses a whole new kind of accounting) cannot count its advance sale tickets as profit until the dates they have been sold for have actually passed. The money isn't theirs until the ticket is used. Things like this caused Livent to go ka-boom. However Disney can count as income the interest made from those advance monies sitting in the bank.

When Lion King closes for 4-6 weeks it means all union contracts are voided (By union contract the production is deemed 'closed'. Ha!) and the show can be downsized like Beauty and the Beast was when it moved from the Palace to the Lunt. These contracts particularly the actors earning above scale would have to have their contracts renogotiated and they will only go one way--down. Plus any number of chorus roles could be cut. Beauty lost a couple but Scarlet Pimpernel lost about 6 when they did this ploy.
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#23

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Disney has no intentions to downsize any part of the Lion King- they've said this over and over again. They've no reason to, when the current version is still making money.

Fosse76, if you don't see anything "inventive" about the design of The Lion King, then you're not going to find anything inventive. That show has probably the most inventive design of anything I've ever seen. Whether or not that is why it won the Tony is totally debatable, and I would say that "most" probably feel it was a lot more than spectacle that gave it the Best Musical award that year. Please don't speak for the masses- audiences have embraced Lion King much more than Ragtime.


And P.S.- I liked Ragtime a lot, and thought it probably should have won Best Musical, but that doesn't have any effect on what I said above.
#25

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For all that was strong about Ragtime - in performances, design, staging and some of the writing - it also had an air of self-satisfied pomposity. It carried its "importance" on its sleeve. I also found it a bit chilly when it veered too far from Coalhouse, and the parade of breast-beating ballads for the other characters starting to weigh on my nerves. There is a camp of cheerleaders that maintain that Ragtime's loss for Best Musical was some grave injustice, but throughout the industry at the time, there wasn't a doubt in anyone's mind that Lion King would take the big prize.
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