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#1

Drama at The King and I

I am curious on everyone's thoughts on this situation. I was there when this happened, and did not say anything but people were extremely vicious to this Mother and child. I believe that everyone was in the wrong, though. Thoughts?

"Broadway star Kelvin Moon Loh is currently in "The King and I" and during a recent show a young boy with autism shouted loudly from the audience during a quiet scene. According to Kelvin, many in the audience reacted very negatively to the interruption and to the mother."

https://www.autismspeaks.org/news/news-item/broadway-star-pens-open-letter-after-boy-autism-interrupts-show

Updated On: 9/25/15 at 07:04 PM

#2

Drama at The King and I

I think this might have already been discussed here. But I am not sure and I don't care. While I do think everyone was wrong... It shouldn't be on the audience to have to deal with this. Why not stop the show? What if the screaming was because someone was ill or having a attack or something? Everyone freeze on stage, take a pause and let the house deal with it. Why didn't they? Or did they and not just quick enough? Why didn't they just stop? I feel bad for the mother and kid and I feel bad for the audience that paid a lot of money to see the show.

I also wonder if audiences over reacted because there have been so many incidents lately of just obnoxious audience members.


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Updated On: 9/25/15 at 07:09 PM

#3

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I wonder that, too, DAME, because it's hard to imagine people so rude as to yell at a mother struggling to control her overwrought child. (Yes, I realize that some may not have been able to see that she was doing just that.)

#4

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GavestonPS said: "I wonder that, too, DAME, because it's hard to imagine people so rude as to yell at a mother struggling to control her overwrought child. (Yes, I realize that some may not have been able to see that she was doing just that.)

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That was my wonder too. I have an autistic step brother--and admittedly autism is so hard to define and so everyone's experience is different... With him, we do bring him to shows when we can and he either likes them (and is relatively quiet though he does talk to himself quietly and so we usually make sure he's "buffered" by two of us,) or if he has a problem with the play or just seems to lose interest he knows to leave and wait in the lobby. Now, I know that's a fairly functional example of an autism.

So I wonder a few things about this--like how old the child was, and what his previous theatre exposure was.

That said, if the audience actually reacted that way, I think it's shameful that they don't do the same to the family that brings in a McDonald's meal and talks (as has been reported on here a few times,) or other gross audience behaviour.

#5

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I am in 100% agreement with everything Dame said. It's a sad situation and I hate hearing that people were vicious to the mother and child. It really does sound like the best plan would be for the company to pause the performance while the situation in the house is taken care of. I hope this story leads to a push for more and more "Autism Friendly" performances.

#6

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Without having all the information, we don't know if it would have been a good idea to stop the show. It's possible that, for safety reasons, it would have been dangerous to stop/pause at that moment.

It is also possible that house management did not act quick enough. I'm sure if an usher or house manager were standing beside the mother to offer assistance, the rest of the audience would not have been so vocal in their frustration.


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#7

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They should absolutely not have stopped the show. They don't even do this when people have had heart attacks and an entire EMT team has had to carry them out, which I have witnessed on several occasions. Stopping would have caused a greater grievance and even further unnecessary embarrassment to this poor child and his mother. The kid got upset because of the whipping scene. I wasn't there but I read the facebook post that brought this incident out in the open, and it mentioned that the audience members telling the kid to be quiet were more of a nuisance to the cast than the boy was, which is completely believable. I never get upset if a child is disruptive during a performance, so long as its not continuous, which it wasn't. I also have no problem telling grown adults how to behave in a theater when necessary. I really hope this doesn't deter this great mom from taking her son to see Broadway. We need more handicapped accessible performances. It's only Disney who has jumped on that bandwagon so far?

Updated On: 9/25/15 at 08:55 PM

#8

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I was confused when he wrote: "Maybe she scouted the aisle seat for a very popular show in case such an episode would occur."

Because she didn't use it to escape, if that was the plan.

#9

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The thing that struck me is him noting that other children, presumably without Autism, have screamed or reacted with fear to the whipping scene.

If you didn't read his whole post, which it seems like some people haven't had the chance to do, Kelvin notes that the mother was trying to get her distraught son to leave his seat but he was clinging to the railing, making it very difficult.


Also, this line had made me wonder initially if some members of his own company were chastising the woman: "Instead, I ask you- when did we as theater people, performers and audience members become so concerned with our own experience that we lose compassion for others?"


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#10

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"They don't even do this when people have heart attacks in the and an entire EMT team comes in to carry them out."

I have only had one experience with the "is there a doctor in the house?" situation. It was at the national tour of Next to Normal (in Philadelphia) and the performance was absolutely stopped while the situation was taken care of. I always assumed that it was common practice and respect to stop a performance if someone is in urgent need of medical attention.

Updated On: 9/25/15 at 09:25 PM

#11

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I've been at two shows that ha e indeed stopped the show due to emergencies in the house.


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#12

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Stopping the show in the case of a emergency is indeed the right thing to do. I was in the business for many years and have been a part of it happening many times. No reason the actors can't just stop and freeze while the situation is cleared. Which is what usually happens. Outdoor theaters all over the country do this when a plane or loud outdoor noise occurs. I don't know the whole situation as I wasn't there. I find the whole thing unfortunate. But I agree with DAME. Stop the show.

#13

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My next-door neighbor is autistic and it's sad to see what he goes through. I love Kelvin's post about the incident and how he stands up for people, who have little-to-no control of their actions. I feel terrible for the mom and the poor guy. I think they should have stopped the show to get the guy calm if it caused that much of a frenzy.

#14

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My next-door neighbor is autistic and it's sad to see what he goes through. I love Kelvin's post about the incident and how he stands up for people, who have little-to-no control of their actions. I feel terrible for the mom and the poor guy. I think they should have stopped the show to get the guy calm if it caused that much of a frenzy.

#15

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Dramamama, out of curiosity, were they broadway shows? Two or three incidents occurred at Schubert houses and one time was in the orchestra at an Encores performance. Also, at the first preview of Gypsy, which I was also at, an air vent fell on someones head and they were screeching in pain. Patti and Laura didn't stop looking up at the balcony with complete worry on their faces, but the show went on. While I agree that in actual emergencies, it would be best to stop the show and ask people to move out of the way to make sure everyone can get the help they need, but this wasn't an emergency but an inconvenient grievance which was out of anyones control.

#17

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It's been a few years, but when I worked at the Miami Beach Theatre for the Performing Arts, with its elderly audiences, emergencies in the house were not uncommon. (We used to call ambulance sirens the "Civic Anthem".) And we most certainly did not stop the show.

But it was a huge barn of a house and EMTs could easily remove ailing patrons from the balcony or rear orchestra without being noticed by the rest of the patrons. (I've written before about the argument that ensued when a woman refused to leave a matinee of MAME even though her husband had had a heart attack and the EMTs were trying to get her to accompany him to the hospital.)

Updated On: 9/25/15 at 11:36 PM

#18

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@Gavenston. As a child I saw a revival of Carousel starring Robert Goulet in that theater. OY VEY!
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#19

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"The kid got upset because of the whipping scene. I wasn't there but I read the facebook post that brought this incident out in the open, and it mentioned that the audience members telling the kid to be quiet were more of a nuisance to the cast than the boy was, which is completely believable. I never get upset if a child is disruptive during a performance, so long as its not continuous, which it wasn't."

I was there, and actually, yes, it was nearly continuous. It started in very early in act one and the audience only reacted very late in act two when the child disrupted a very quiet and emotional scene very near the end of the show (NOT the whipping scene) and they only ssshed the child as far as I could tell. It just became too much and was not handled well all the way around.

Screaming, talking and yelping happened every few minutes throughout the show. I have great sympathy for the child (who sounded quite young), but the entire show was absolutely ruined by the disruptions. Just as we have nights for the hearing impaired, we need more autistic friendly nights. This was almost three hours of frequent yelling, screaming and talking.

Call it what you will, but that was not at all acceptable. They should have left at intermission at the very least and watched it from the lobby tvs or been refunded their money.

Updated On: 9/26/15 at 12:32 AM

#20

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Kelvin and the OP of this thread have insinuated that the mother was attacked pretty badly during the incident. I can understand shushing during an intense moment, as that's a natural response to a sudden distraction, but it's not right if the mother was truly attacked. Maybe it appeared to be shushing from certain sections of the audience, while in others closer to the mother it appeared that she was scolded/attacked. It seems like there is no happy medium in this unfortunately situation. The only satisfying outcome would probably have been to restart the scene once the commotion had settled. I am glad that we can all agree that there needs to be a push for more autism friendly performances.

#21

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If someone can't be quiet and sit still for the entirety of a show, they shouldn't be there. Period. It isn't fair to the rest of the audience.

#22

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I have been a p/t Bway usher for 40 yrs, and have seen everything that can possibly happen in a theatre...the worst of which is THIS:

At a couple of shows, Christopher Reeve and his wife attended. At intermission, a number of people came up to me and WHISPERED how disgraceful it was that Mr. Reeve s breathing apparatus was very NOISY and distracting during the show?! Yes, one could hear it (softly, btw.)..so WHAT??? People are stupid, ignorant, selfish pigs. That being said...the best thing to do when a fellow theatregoer is disruptive for any reason, is to shut YOUR mouth, get up off your heinie for a minute or 2, and talk to the chief usher or house mgr, who are trained in dealing.


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#23

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Just_John said: "We need more handicapped accessible performances. It's only Disney who has jumped on that bandwagon so far?"

Wicked and Matilda both had them and I think Wicked does them every year.


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#25

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It's not easy to deal with autistic children when they're in this condition. Maybe he was panicked or something and "strong" actions like taking his arm to carry him outside would have just complicated the situation... it's not easy to talk about autism in general terms because every autist is basically different from the others.

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