GREY GARDENS Will Lose Its Entire Investment- Page 3

[Julian2]

Posted: 7/3/07 at 8:59pm

frontrowcentre2, amen. I love the ending quote, one of the most stiring eleven o'clock numbers ever written. Unfortunatly, its not in the Sound of Music, so so few have heard it. If I'm ever in Toronto, we should have lunch.

TechEverlasting, I feel the exact same way about recordings. I think if people bring these DVD's back to Wherever, USA, and show their friends, they may be prompted to see the show when they come to NYC. Beauty and the Beast is seen by hundreds at high schools and community theatres, yet it still has drawn the crowds, I think the same applies for other shows.

Updated On: 7/3/07 at 08:59 PM

[jv92]

Posted: 7/3/07 at 10:11pm

Question regarding G.G.-
Thankfully I got tickets for the closing show. Do you think they'll still have window cards and programs at that point? I know merchandise sells out quickly. Should I just buy off the website? Updated On: 7/3/07 at 10:11 PM

[WithoutATrace]

Posted: 7/3/07 at 10:14pm

i'm planning on buying the souvenir program when i get to the theater on the 29th. hopefully there will still be some left!

[jv92]

Posted: 7/3/07 at 10:16pm

I don't care about the program really. I can buy it online if I must. But I'd like to buy the windowcard at the theatre because I'd like to have the cast sign after at the stage door. I've only gotten my Playbill signed, which is good, but I'd love to have a framed, signed poster hanging in my office on display. If I have to buy it online and lug it to the Walter Kerr, I guess it'd be okay though.

[WithoutATrace]

Posted: 7/3/07 at 10:22pm

I'll definitely see you at the stage door that afternoon...hopefully the whole cast will come out and sign.

[Rathnait62]

Posted: 7/3/07 at 10:42pm

"it's a shame that good shows that don't recoup are seen as a flop"

That is the very definition of a flop, so it's not a shame.

I hope none of the people wringing their hands over this are the ones who have posted in the past about not wanting their favorite shows to become popular and commercially successful.

[TechEverlasting]

Posted: 7/3/07 at 10:53pm

I realize that the technical definition of flop is a show that doesn't make back its investment, but I still think it's worthwhile to distinguish between a "financial flop" and a "total flop".

Is Grey Gardens, with its awards, critical accolades and impressive run both off and on Broadway in any way similar to The Pirate Queen"?

[Rathnait62]

Posted: 7/3/07 at 10:59pm

A flop means a show that didn't recoup its investment, period. If neither one recouped, then yes, they are similar in that way.

[frontrowcentre2]

Posted: 7/4/07 at 12:54am

But there are some shows that are flops (financially) but are artistic successes and will have long lives in regional and community theatres.

As I have said before, the show's financial status onl;y really matters if you are an investor. The real test is whether a show has a life after Broadway.

[Lorelai]

Posted: 7/4/07 at 1:05am

"I think down the road in history they will look back and talk about the legendary performances by Ebersole and Wilson..."

I must agree with violet. I think that in the years to come, this show, more notably the performances by MLW and ESPECIALLY Christine Ebersole will be looked upon as legendary. No disrespect to MLW but I this Ms. Ebersole will be remembered for her roles for quite some time.

[Wanna Be A Foster]

Posted: 7/4/07 at 10:13am

See, that's the problem when we attach labels. We say the word "flop" and automatically people are up in arms saying that GREY GARDENS = PIRATE QUEEN.

Let's not attach labels. Let's just discuss the show at hand and each show on a case by case basis without the simplicity of single word labels. Labeling is a lazy man's excuse for thinking.

Updated On: 7/4/07 at 10:13 AM

[GYPSY1527]

Posted: 7/4/07 at 10:15am

"No disrespect to MLW but I this Ms. Ebersole will be remembered for her roles for quite some time. "

Well, I hope both women who created two legendary peformances are remembered equally. In my eyes, they are both wonders and I feel honored to have witnessed them perform six times.

[wonderfulwizard11]

Posted: 7/4/07 at 10:19am

But Foster, the thing is, in terms of money, Grey Gardens = Pirate Queen. Both were flops.

[Wanna Be A Foster]

Posted: 7/4/07 at 10:27am

I'm well-aware, but if any time people try to delve into something deeper, like the quality of the show, they're brought to a halt by someone who comes along and shouts out "FLOP!" it doesn't further the conversation.

We get that by definition it is a flop.

Though if the whole thread were just going to be one person after another saying "Yep, FLOP!" then it would be pointless.

Updated On: 7/4/07 at 10:27 AM

[keen on kean]

Posted: 7/4/07 at 10:58am

Since only one in five shows (or one in four in a good year) recoups, there are always a large number of financial "flops" so GG is in good company. I agree with the earlier statement that putting aside the investors' interests (with love and kisses for their money and courage), GG has definitely had a very positive impact by expanding the subject matter of musical theater and by providing the two main characters with an opportunity to shine.

[Rathnait62]

Posted: 7/4/07 at 11:09am

"Since only one in five shows (or one in four in a good year) recoups,"

Exactly why the posts around here about "greedy producers" are not only ridiculous, but ignorant coming from supposed fans of theater.