The location is completely irrelevant when it comes to set designs.
What makes a set design work is a great designer who worked very closely with the rest of the creative team to create a cohesive visual landscape for the show. Having the appropriate theatre is also essential. Whether it appears first in New York or London is entirely out of the point.
For instance, the set designer of Sister Act, Klara Zieglerova, is from the US and designed Jersey Boys over there.
Shows like Wicked, 9-5, Shrek, west Side Story all heave terrific sets that are only grand enough for a Broadway house, we would only dream about creating over here!
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Ur kidding right? 1. the Wicked set IS grand enough for the Apollo Vic. 2. yes, 9 to 5 is a great set, but how is it only grand enough for NYC? It would fit easily into the Palladium, Drury Lane, Prince Edward or the Dominion. 3. Shrek was designed by a Brit. 4. The West Side Story design (both sets and costumes) was the worst part about the lacklustre revival. Except for the scene change before the Rumble, it could've been taken straight from a high school.
Firstly, the Wicked set actually looks better in London than on Broadway. Second, look at the list of classic mega-sets that have come from London. Third, 9 to 5's set is effective but not mind-blowing.
The Shrek set is lovely but could quite happily have originated here.
Finally look at the creatives. Many shows- such as Shrek- have a great many UK designers, who produce equal work in London. You might cast your mind back to the age when people accused the West End of having shows where you come out humming the set! In the same way, plenty of US designers have originated work here, including Tony Walton, Eugene Lee and Robin Wagner.
Much as I'm not a fan, many people cite the current Oliver! set as being one of the most breathtaking ever seen. Certainly, it's huge!
Hands down, England has better set designers. You guys have been doing it longer. England had theatres when we were still trying to figure out how to plant corn. Heck, your entire side of the world has had art longer than we have. And it's also not even so much about spectacle and size, but stagecraft as well, not to mention taking inspiration from the architecture and mechanics of theatres that are older than New York ones.
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Most of that thread is navel-gazing ignorance. The only intelligent comments in it have already been made on this board, which the navel-gazers would know if they had the wit or energy to look.
Still that guy called Scripps2 makes some good comments - I always enjoy reading his posts.
The 9 to 5 set i dont think is great at all, sure the 1st time you see it turn in to the office after the opening song it looks great but after that i find it rather clunky looking.
The Wicked set is alright but the London one looks better
and the Shrek set was headache inducing
also the West Side Story set you mentioned is Horrendous, where is the great set there?
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Of course we can re-create Broadway sets here, but the finance would not be there to create a spectacular set over here first, New York can get the financial backing to create wonderful sets you all mention, it's no coincidence that Spiderman is opening in New York, when it opens it maybe possible that the music and lyrics maybe drivel, but mark my words, yes sir, the set will be spectacular!!!
RUBISH! ABSOLUTE RUBISH! Broadway is financed in a far different way to the West End. You very rarely see a West End show pulled due to finance whereas on Broadway it happens many times a year!
And look at the financing of Lord of the Rings, which only tried out in Toronto, knowing it would open in London- not on Broadway. At last count £12m for that show. So about $20m, which is really quite a considerable budget! London does not do things on the cheap.
The major difference is in the cost of staffing, not quality of design.
Am I not right that in the 80s/early 90s when West End shows (written, financed, designed, directed, choeographed, everything else by Brits or Europeans) all had their audiences leaving "humming the sets"?
Think of megamusicals like Phantom, Miss Saigon, Les Mis, Starlight Express and Cats. All have set designs that will go down in history as extravagant and breathtaking, and all were designed by Brits.
Totally agree Mama. Both Oliver and Sister Act would not fit into any Broadway theatre in their current state, while every Broadway show could easily fit into a London theatre.
Does theatre size really matter? Of course, if you're working with a venue like the Theatre Royal Drury Lane in London or the Gershwin in New York then you can be as extravagant as you want and have tons of scenery all over the place. But that doesn't mean the sets will be GOOD. Case in point: 9 to 5, at least in my opinion.
Anyway, I don't see what difference it makes if every show on Broadway could fit in a West End theatre but several West End shows couldn't fit in a Broadway theatre.
But the Gershwin is so much better equiped than the Apollo Victoria and which set works best in every ones opinion? The one at the very restricted Apollo Victoria. I've seen both the New York and London productions of 'Wicked' and London wins hands down for the scale of the set.
You have to remember that the Apollo Victoria was built as a a mega cinema NOT a theatre, so to have a show on the scale as 'Wicked' grace its tiny stage is incredible!
I have been threatened to be slapped by SADM2, shouted at by Mama on this thread, but I have to agree with everything that everyone has said, apart from my own opinions, it did provide good jocular fun though and everyone got very good points across, which me playing devils advocate made a good platform for debate. If I started a thread what sets are better New York or London, it would probably garnered little interest.
I know New York make great sets just like London does.
One regret it did not go on for longer, big plus point a personal plea to Mama to post more photos which are always great!
Here is a question though I notice both at the Gershwin and Apollo there is a wooden beam that goes across the theatre in Wicked, its approx seats g-k, so it is intentionally there what is it for?