Im an Indian too ?- Page 3

[best12bars]

Posted: 9/21/09 at 1:12pm

I don't think PJ was joking. But I don't think he is saying it's not a racist song or that he doesn't understand what they're trying to say with it.

I think (and yes, I'm speaking for him ...) his point is that he feels it was irrelevant to this particular story. It pulled him out of the events at hand and the characters on stage.

My posts counter about the relevancy to the story and to these characters.

But I don't think he's saying they are pointless or that they aren't racist. He just thought it wasn't necessary in this particular play to bring up the issue of racism.

And I disagree! I thought it was handled beautifully. And I thought it made these characters more interesting to understand their world and their views of it on a much deeper level.

[best12bars]

Posted: 9/21/09 at 1:16pm

TulitaPepsi---That's great! There's no reason why that song can't celebrate the Indians instead of make fun of them. The lost boys are glamorizing them at that age anyway. They think they're cool and mysterious and exciting. Not silly and something to make fun of. The song was out of step to begin with. It was an adult's POV to make fun of their language and to imply that their "red" skin was a permanent state of embarrassment.

Seems like that SONG is the only permanent state of embarrassment after all. A very good modification.

Oh, and I agree with you about "Pass That Peacepipe." A stupid song, hung up on making fun of Native American dialects, once again. Uga-wuga crap.

Posted: 9/21/09 at 1:18pm

I dunno. To me, it just shows that Edie has NO boundaries, no sense of what is or is not appropriate. She's a loose cannon. She's not just an egomaniac, she's flat out crazy.

[PalJoey]

Posted: 9/21/09 at 1:21pm

Thanks, Besty. I couldn't have said it better myself.

And I said I was alone among Grey Gardens fans in disliking those songs.

Omigod, Tulita--I totally forgot about RUFUS JONES FOR PRESIDENT! It really is must watching.

(Off point: I really wish GoodOldDays on YouTube would use the song titles for his video titles--it would make them so much easier to find. Why should these two brilliant Ethel Waters numbers be entitled "Ethel Rocks Out"?)

[TulitaPepsi]

Posted: 9/21/09 at 1:34pm

It's the best way to hide them from corporate snoops who will let clips from last years teen summer flick stay (and sometimes the entire film), but feel the need to ruthlessly root out ancient musical numbers that are rarely seen - often from lousy films you need to fast-forward to get through.

OT, but here's my favorite such roundabout description:

"Art Deco Telephone Operators Sing A Jazzy Song - 1934"
From 1934 - Frances Williams and chorus sing "Hollywood" . An excellent jazzy and risque Art Deco production number.
Hello, here's Miss Joan Crawford, Mr. Durante