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In Baltimore on a Sunday with Lashings of Hairspray!

Today is the first performance of Hairspray on a Sunday, (Remembrance Sunday for the wrong reasons), this Sunday gig could catch on, or could as tickets were available from TKTS for 1/3 off?

Musicals that play on a Sunday

The Lion King
Thriller
Hairspray

Coming soon

Jersey Boys
Priscilla Queen of the Desert

Any other show confirmed to play Sundays?

I personally think this is awful, as actors/actresses are professional slaves, that now work all weekend and do not get deserved time with there families!

Updated On: 11/8/09 at 06:02 PM

#3

re: In Baltimore on a Sunday with Lashings of Hairspray!

Oh please Phantom come on!

There aint many complaining.
They get extra money.
They get to be home Sunday evening and don't return to the stage door until Tues night.
Two nights off not one!

'Prick Up Your Ears' Sundays at 4pm
'Change' Sundays at 4pm

Updated On: 11/8/09 at 06:24 PM

#4

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I see arguments from both POV but I'm with Mama and saying this is a good idea and I'm surprised that only a hand full of shows are doing Sundays, shows like Wicked would benefit from a Sunday Matinee but they aren't doing it yet even Love Never Dies doesn't have a Sunday show.
#5

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If producers were worried about actors having enough time with their families all performances would be weekday matinees with evenings and weekends off.
#6

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Ken wright doesnt believe in families!
'Joseph'
Mon 7.30pm
Tue 2pm and 7.30pm
Wed 2pm and 7.30pm
Thur 2pm and 7.30pm
Fri 5pm and 8pm
Sat 2pm 5pm and 8pm
SUNDAY -travel from Southampton to Newcastle wave to family on platform at Birmingham!
#7

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'They get extra money.'

They said this to shop workers, when the Sunday trading laws were relaxed, as a sop to look good in the media. I understand staff do not get a Sunday bonus anymore, same will happen with theatre once the trend has been set.

'They get to be home Sunday evening and don't return to the stage door until Tues night.'

Great, theatre personnel will be back home by 7-7:30 to say goodnight to their children, where they had a quality day off to spend with their kids, not really a fair compromise.

'If producers were worried about actors having enough time with their families all performances would be weekday matinees with evenings and weekends off.'

There are so many obvious floors in your argument, which you do not need me to point out.
#8

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I'm sorry . . . floors?

Plenty of people work on Sundays and don't seem to have a problem with it - I don't see anything inherently unfair in the practice.
#9

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"They said this to shop workers, when the Sunday trading laws were relaxed, as a sop to look good in the media. I understand staff do not get a Sunday bonus anymore, same will happen with theatre once the trend has been set."

if it's written in a contract that has been signed, they have no choice but to pay you extra. In my contract it was never layed down that i would get extra money for sundays just for bank holidays, but my sister who works in retail gets time and a half on a sunday, because that's her contract.

Actors aren't silly, they'll make sure they get whatever is promised to them.
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I take it we wont hear about your visits to the theatre on Sundays then?

To be pretty blunt here, when this was being thrown around last year the only performers that we heard complain about working on a Sunday were the ones who would have to give up the massive drug binges they would go on on a Saturday night and then only just be able to perform on a Monday night! I said it was blunt but its 100% true.
Performers will be told of Sunday performances etc when offered the show and contract- don't like? don't do it! - 89% of Equity are out of work -'Next'!
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Have to agree with Mamma and co here. There's more than enough people out of work who will happily work sundays. I'm avaliable for performances starting now and would happly do 3 shows on a sunday if they asked. Might not be ideal but theatre in London is supposed to be readily avaliable and with toursim obviously being higher at weekends it makes sense. Also it's started and is going to happen... simple as that!
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went to te first Sunday Hairspray matinee show and have to say there are A LOT of kids there, which can be good AND bad. Good because they do make the atmosphere more exciting with all the screaming and clapping but its bad cuz they can over-do it and spoil the atmostphere.
Oh well, I sat in the Stalls and I would say its 90% full which I guess is good for a first Sunday show?? The audiences were great. The energy in the cast is amazing too! Adrian Adrian Adrian... how can this guy get better and better everytime i see him?! Incredible! Those moves & notes, wow! The new cast, I liked Chloe a lot! Thought Liam sounded amazing, over-did the acting a bit, cute as a button but somehow just simple not handsome/boy-next-door enough. Phil as Edna.. hmm, enjoyable at times, but if you've seen Michael Ball or Adam Price in the role, you simply cannot compare to those 2 ~ I like Nicole as Amber, still preferred the previous 2 actresses who's done the role though. Tony as Wilbur was fine, the role really didn't have much to do. Sharon as Motormouth... her acting was slightly disappointing I have to say, or maybe I just had too much hope for her. But her vocals was A.M.A.Z.I.N.G. I'd see the show over again just to see her sing 'I Know Where I've Been' again! Gavin as Corny Collins was great. Who else did I miss out? OH.... Belinda as Velma.. you can really really miss her out! Vocals were mediocre to poor; acting nil; stage presence HUH?! I enjoyed the whole show, watched it too many times to judge really, but my friend who's a first-timer loved it. But she also thought Belinda was horrible.

Oh well... back to topic, I'm totally all for Sunday shows! re: In Baltimore on a Sunday with Lashings of Hairspray!re: In Baltimore on a Sunday with Lashings of Hairspray!re: In Baltimore on a Sunday with Lashings of Hairspray!
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As pointed out by Mama 89% of Equity are out of work, so gives producers plenty of scope to 'bully' theatre into working on a Sunday, as I said at the top of the thread 'professional slavery'!

What changed my opinion was when a actors partner posted on here, when this news first came out, to say how wrong that her spouse might have to work on a Sunday, as the wife and kids do not see much of their dad already! So Sunday working will have a big impact on their familty life. how can this be right, to satisfy greedy producers?
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If it were only to satisfy greedy producers, then actors would not work on shows that run on Sundays, and audiences would not go to see shows that run on Sundays. An actor's family knows they're not going to see mummy/daddy as often as they might like; it's part and parcel of the business. Sure, it blows that an actor might not get to spend as much time with their family now they're working on Sundays, but the decision to not have as much of a life as they might like is the one they made when they went into the business. And if the alternative is spending 24 hours a day, 7 days a week with the family thanks to unemployment, then you can kinda see why people might not mind working Sundays.

Another bonus of Sunday shows is that more people can go see them than a midweek performance. More people = more ticket money = more employment! How is *that* ever a bad thing for this mercurial industry?

Sundays aren't exactly sacred to the vast majority of the population any more anyway. And I'm glad no one's brought up the sanctity of Sundays to religious types yet, 'cos then we'd have to get into the whole "is it fair to make Jews perform on Saturdays?" conversation, and that obviously hasn't bothered Broadway ANY! XD

Vote with your ticket money; if you don't approve of Sunday performances, don't go to any. Vote harder: don't go to any shows that have a Sunday performance no matter what day of the week it is! And if you bump into an actor who performs in a show with a Sunday performance, feel free tell them you're purposefully not coming to see their show because you think they're being treated like slaves and it's disgusting. And please take a dictaphone, because I'd be TOTALLY interested in a full write-up of that encounter!

(Love the "professional slavery" hyperbole; reminds me of Terrence Howard. ^_^)

Notes from the Earlham Street Gutter

Updated On: 11/9/09 at 01:34 PM

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I also have to disagree with you Phantom. I manage a theatre with 2 shows on a sunday- and as the manager I am out by 8pm. I would much rather have two full evenings and a day off to spend with my loved ones, and from a FOH point of the view, all the staff get paid double time.

As people have said, if you don't want to work it then fine. There have been no petitions (that I am aware of) to STOP this happening from Actors or Theatres.

In New York it has, for as long as I can remember, been that Monday is the dark day. It is not "greedy" producers ad you very offensivley label them,its is buisness men and women doing what is best for their product. Everyone has to earn a living, and sometimes make sacrifices.

Updated On: 11/9/09 at 01:38 PM

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Phantom while I agree with much of what you say, and anyone saying people working weekends doesnt affect family time is living on another planet. The reality is Sunday shows make MUCH more sense, and in this day and age there are MANY jobs that involve weekend working...not just shop workers. I dont feel we should be saying 'poor west end actors having to work Sundays', afterall there are many others out there having to do the same thing in other industries.

It does raise the issue of weekend working as a whole and the affect it may have on the family unit.

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I think, given the potential revenues of Sunday shows, West End actors / employees have dodged this bullet for a LONG time. I'm one of the masses who has to work Sundays (albeit not every single one), but I actually prefer it and welcome the time I get off in the week in lieu. As others have already said "professional slavery" it is not - if it offends some potential 'victims' so much they should refuse to sign new contracts / seek alternative employment!
Seen some shows in my time....
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Theatre on a Sunday would be excellent time for me to attend shows!

"In New York it has, for as long as I can remember, been that Monday is the dark day. It is not "greedy" producers ad you very offensivley label them,its is buisness men and women doing what is best for their product. Everyone has to earn a living, and sometimes make sacrifices."

For me Industrial relations in America is very poor, they have no child labour laws, a child is allowed to do 8 performances a week, which will deny performing children a right to a decent education, which harps back to Dickensian times. The point in the paragraph above is America just pandering to big business again.

A lot of people on here, have made a good point that lots of people have to work on a Sunday, I have had to do that myself in the past, part of the job, but I didn't mind as I did not have to do this every week. What other professional have to work more unsocial hours that personnel employed in theatre?
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re: In Baltimore on a Sunday with Lashings of Hairspray!

Surely nobody HAS to work 'unsocial hours' if they strenuously object to them, but I'd hazard a guess and say Call Centre workers / Nannies / Au Pairs / utility company employees / cinema ushers / restaurant staff are all as 'hard done by' (and probably more so) than theatre employees in the West End who are only just having to adjust to working Sundays.

I don't honestly think the state of industrial relations in the US has anything to do with this decision - I love the US but I wouldn't want to work there. But opening shows on Sundays (when a lot of your potential audience have time off - notwithstanding the sizeable minority who don't!) makes sound economic sense - for all involved!
Seen some shows in my time....
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I think its good they're doing Sundays, at least some shows are! That's because I think I'm always free on Sundays with nothing to do, so are a lot of people after church (if they go at all). and really... I think watching a show is a pretty neat, whole-family idea ~
As for the actors.. really... it's not just actors but pretty much a lot of people in a job, you just have to go where the job is or do when the job is. I'm guessing it can be tough becuz it means its 5 shows in 3 days for some. But it is better than way less audiences on a midday performance right?

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#23

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Most 'ordinary' people work an 8 hr day.
One performance on a Sunday will probably take between 3 or 4 hrs out of a Sunday. AND double pay! AND then your off until 6.30pm Tuesday night.
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'Surely nobody HAS to work 'unsocial hours' if they strenuously object to them, but I'd hazard a guess and say Call Centre workers / Nannies / Au Pairs / utility company employees / cinema ushers / restaurant staff are all as 'hard done by' (and probably more so) than theatre employees in the West End who are only just having to adjust to working Sundays.'

Most of the job you listed are unskilled and can be done by people at university or college in the evening on a weekend, Nannies (skilled job), is normally done in the week, but granted they might have to cover the odd weekend.

My gripe is theatre staff, have to do un-friendly hours every weekend, its not like they can work 2 in 3, so leaves little family time.

My original question still stands.

What other professional have to work more unsocial hours that personnel employed in theatre?





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The vast majority of "professional" jobs offer far more antisocial hours than being in theatre. Doctors and policemen can be on call in the middle of the night; high-powered lawyers, bankers, civil servants etc. are expected to work beyond their contractual hours without complaint and well into the small hours on a regular basis. And they have to be at work for 9!

For staff working at a theatre in some capacity the hours aren't bad at all. Once your first night comes round, apart from fairly infrequent rehearsals/tech runs the people actually doing the show (whether techy or turn) turn up a few hours before the show and leave straight afterwards. You've got all day to catch up with people, and most shows will still offer you some weekend time; with no matinee on the Sunday you can catch up with folks then. Plus box office/front of house staff are on shifts!

Sunday working on some schedules is a bit of a bugger (Tuesday matinee on Legally Blonde? No thank you!) but most producers will still be giving their artists and technical staff the same amount of time off - a day and a bit.

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