Les Miserables film with good singing

Ever since the film came out I wondered how certain scenes would work if the singing and music quality actually was better. So I did a small experiment. I added some clips of emotional singing to the images of the actual film. You can immediately see it takes the scenes to a higher level emotionally.

Although this comparison clip is very basic, I hope this is an eye-opener for some people in the business. I hope it changes views that actors struggling with singing and therefore sigh, speak or groan is not the solution to an emotional result. Other things are. The placements of the notes and nuances make a scene soar and get the emotion across.

What Hugh Jackman does here is actually taking the viewers out of the emotion. It is way too theatrical for film. The funny thing is that many theatre performers do have this needed filmic nuances, as you can hear. Judge for yourself. I'm starting to believe that they really need outstanding singers for future musical films, it's the only way to make it work.

The only way a non-singer can make it work is if the scene is about dying/despair, such as Evita's Lament and I dreamed a dream, with lots of crying and sighing. Only then they get away with it. In all other scenes they don't.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0qQ_7RFGSc

Updated On: 1/10/14 at 06:11 PM

I thought most of the singing in the film of LES MIZ was horrendous and I have always wanted to make a video of the movie with other, better singers in the roles. Unfortunately, I don't have the technological know-how to do such a thing. Imagine what a great film it could have been had they cast people who could actually SING!

Too bad the movie was made the way it was and achieved a good deal of success.

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Imagine how great it could have been if done better.

I had shivers going down my spine during the editing of "Everyday" and "Bring him home" in this clip, because of the sheer beauty and emotion. The scenes suddenly came to life.

I had shivers in the cinema too, but because of different reasons. And the reactions from other visitors sitting behind me confirmed this. I remember the audience laughing when Valjean reads Marius' letter. I bet they would not laugh when it was done properly like the example. Or do you think the filmmakers intended it as a funny scene?

"The ship has sailed. They are not re-making the film because you were unhappy with it."

Yes, I know that, but it's always nice to chat about it. I would love to see more examples from other people. And of course, there are more films in the pipeline, like my favorite Miss Saigon, so the more people and the producers think about this issue, the better results we can get.

Les Miserables is one of the most successful movie musicals to date. It did not please all of the snobs, dave19 included, but it did please the masses. That is the goal of the film industry, to please the masses and make money. The Les Mis movie is a bonafide success, whether dave19 likes it or not. If you want something with big stage vocals, there are countless recordings, both audio and video, that can be used to satisfy those needs.
While the performances may not have met your expectations, most of them were generally good and technically proficient. They entertained their audience, and in many cases moved the audience on an emotional level. They earned the production company a significant amount of money as well as a considerable amount of awards for artistic (and political) merit. This childish rant of dave19 is old, tedious, and redundant. It is time to give it up.

"If you want something with big stage vocals"

Have you guys seen the clip I posted?

Hugh Jackman's performance is much too theatrical. He is lacking every kind of nuance for film. Many stage actors do have this nuances such as John owen Jones, as you can hear in the clip, and a much more filmic performance is the result.

So it's the other way around. This is why people in the cinema laughed during bring him home and where he reads Marius' letter. Not good. It's about the vocal finesse needed for film.

Updated On: 1/10/14 at 09:20 PM

"live singing can be a great thing in any way it's done, whether it's proper or gritty, any way is fine"

There is a misunderstanding here. "gritty" does not equal "pure, raw, emotion". Because when I compare the clips, the dubbed ones are much more raw and emotional, because of the heartfelt placement of words and notes and hearing the real emotion in the singing instead of a struggling actor that groans and speaks, that only takes away from the realness and raw emotion.

...according to you. To the millions who saw the film and enjoyed it as is, not so much. Look, you can't please everyone with a film. You obviously love Les Miserables very much, and we get that. You didn't like the film, we get that too. We just don't care. Perhaps we would care more or be more sympathetic towards you if you hadn't been so belligerent about this since BEFORE the film was ever released. The problem is that you decided you didn't like this film before you had even seen it, before the soundtrack was even released. The instant a clip recorded with from a computer screen with an iPhone was leaked you started trash talking, then you recanted your rave about that specific song once you had seen it, further negating your point.

You hate the film, you hated it prior to it being complete, and you continue to hate it now. It has been more than a year, man. Just let it die. Enjoy the crappy fanedits if you must, and let the rest go.

Of course many people loved it, but also many people made fun of it. Those things are unavoidable. The thing here is, how can we make it more beautiful and let the singing feel real for everyone/more people? The discussion here is about the way of singing. We clearly agree that some things don't work. There is nothing wrong with discussing that on a forum because there are many more musicalfims in the pipeline.

"Remember, he also claimed that B.D. Wong was a bigger than Hugh Jackman."
Yep, in Europe he was at the time.

And this is not about claiming, this is about comparing talent and singing styles, to see what works best on film. Thanks for your input.

Updated On: 1/10/14 at 10:00 PM

Whatever works for you.

So it worked in spite of the flaws, that's great. What's your point? That we can't discuss them for ideas for future films? That this way is the only way to go?

Updated On: 1/10/14 at 10:12 PM

Your point was worked best on film. We have seen what worked best for this film, film actors doing their best to sing. It worked well for Chicago, it worked very well for Mama Mia!, Dreamgirls, and it worked very well for Les Miserables. There are a handful that this did not work well for, but a lot of Phantom's problems lie in terrible direction before they lie on performance. The same is true for Nine.

Stage performers recreating their roles on film, using their bigger stage performances have had a less successful track record. RENT blew and tanked, The Producers tanked. Right now the trend of Hollywood actors doing their best is what is working best for the production companies. That is my point. The point is that this trend will continue for future films because it works best. Your ideas are flawed because it does not actually take the film industry and into account. Business first, artistic integrity second.
Working with kids in Podunk wherever, or what ever you do, is very rewarding, I'm sure. You can focus on art and technique that makes them sound great. It won't likely get them anywhere, but I'm sure they sound super. That doesn't help in the real world where business comes first. The Broadway stage and film are two very different audiences. They cater to different crowds. Your ideas that you want to discuss for film simply do not work for film. Your ideas are for the stage. You want in films what stage audiences want to see on stage. That won't currently work in that medium. It isn't what film audiences want right now. Maybe that will change in the future, but Hollywood doesn't want to take that bet right now. They want to play it safe and earn a profit. Discuss what you wish, but do it with reality in mind, and remember that your movie of choice to bring up to prove your points actually negates your points. Les Mis was a success. It does not work well to prove your point that it would have worked better if it had been done differently.