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[ER765]

Posted: 5/29/25 at 2:59pm

Ensemble1698878795 said: "ER765 said: "Ensemble1698878795 said: "abcd12 said: "Ensemble1698878795 said: "abcd12 said: "Ok, Ensemble1698878795 whatever you say. Do your arms hurt from reaching?

To think this all started because she said HK is too loud.

Which…it is."

It will always be a reach to people who don't live it everyday. Enjoy your echo chamber of whiteness on this thread. I will happily speak up and continue to do so. What starts as a noise complaint can turninto cops showing up in the REAL world, not in your theater bubble. And that can lead to violence on Black bodies. So the optics of Ms. Lupone felt racially motivated to a predominately POC company - whether you like it or not. But it's obviously most of you don't care about how POC feel in this scenario. You'd rather us shut up and accept what we are given. That's what you and Patti have in common.

"

We are not talking about “the real world” though.

We ARE talking about a “theater bubble.”

The cops are not going to storm the Shubert and arrest the cast for being too loud.

Not everything is a social justice battle.

Like I said, I think her approach was insensitive, but I also think SHE is insensitive. She has also been an incredible, fearlessly vocalally for the anti Trump movement.

She is on the right side of history.

She’s just on the wrong side of tactfulness.

Anyway, I’m done for now. I’ll check back in tonight when the convo takes yet another crazy turn as I’m sure it will."

But see this is where your ignorance shows. Inside the theater community POC are often treated just as they are on the streets and in the world. And to most of you, you cannot comprehend that. So it's frustrating when POC speak up about their experiences and are shut down. RACISM exits in the theater bubble. It's why Patti has 28 show and Audra far less - but more Tony's. Maybe look up the Black Face that bowed on Broadway. Museum of Broadway has a whole section on it. You thinking there is a separation is exactly the problem. You just proved my point."

Of course racism exists in theater. No one is denying that. We are talking about an isolated incident that has nothing to do with race whether you like it or not.

Andagain, I too am black.

Call it a day and go tweet about this into the abyss.

It never has anything to do with race until there's a murder. Glad you're brainwashed too. Go tweet about that.

"

We’ve gone from “the show I share a wall with is too loud and I don’t want to sign their Playbill” to murder. 

Okay. 

[Ensemble1698878795]

Posted: 5/29/25 at 3:04pm

verywellthensigh said: "Ensemble1698878795 said: "abcd12 said: "Ok, Ensemble1698878795 whatever you say. Do your arms hurt from reaching?

To think this all started because she said HK is too loud.

Which…it is."

It will always be a reach to people who don't live it everyday. Enjoy your echo chamber of whiteness on this thread. I will happily speak up and continue to do so. What starts as a noise complaint can turninto cops showing up in the REAL world, not in your theater bubble. And that can lead to violence on Black bodies. So the optics of Ms. Lupone felt racially motivated to a predominately POC company - whether you like it or not. But it's obviously most of you don't care about how POC feel in this scenario. You'd rather us shut up and accept what we are given. That's what you and Patti have in common.

"

We understand how deadly it can be when the cops are frivolously called on POC by irritated white people. But the truth of the matter is this DID happen in the theater bubble. Context matters, yes? Are you saying you think the managers of the theater were going to call the cops on the cast of Hell's Kitchen for being too loud? To conflate this kerfufflewith cop violence is ridiculous, more thana little desperate, and does nothing to convince people of your POV."

No, I'm saying the ability for a white woman to discredit two Black LEGENDS in the industry cannot be shrugged off as a mishap. We have to police, pun intended, this behavior because the reverse wouldn't be permitted. Patti's behavior is micro-aggressive, but she's using her unhealthy privilege as a white woman to escape consequence and many of you are letting her. She's comparing her resume to someone who would never be afforded the same opportunities EVER. To speak of Black women this way had no consequences in 1950, when Patti was growing up. The context is her lack of respect for Black art in the same space and about artist that have more Tony's than her - if were counting credits.  It's the belittling of Black greatness and all that enable it. For POC Audra and Kecia are greats and racism in this country is consistently discrediting - which is exactly what Patti has done.  

 

[verywellthensigh]

Posted: 5/29/25 at 3:07pm

We have to police, pun intended, this behavior because the reverse wouldn't be permitted.

A Black star wouldn't have been permitted to request a theater manager to keep the noise down?  You don't know that.  

Patti's behavior is micro-aggressive, but she's using her unhealthy privilege as a white woman to escape consequence and many of you are letting her.

Letting her?  I'm sorry, is Patti our dog?  I don't even like Patti Lupone.  What would you have us do and what do you think would be the IRL consequences of that?  More to add to an online mob that achieves nothing?  Again, you really need to think of activism outside of the internet.  

Updated On: 5/29/25 at 03:07 PM

[Ensemble1698878795]

Posted: 5/29/25 at 3:09pm

ER765 said: "Ensemble1698878795 said: "ER765 said: "Ensemble1698878795 said: "abcd12 said: "Ensemble1698878795 said: "abcd12 said: "Ok, Ensemble1698878795 whatever you say. Do your arms hurt from reaching?

To think this all started because she said HK is too loud.

Which…it is."

It will always be a reach to people who don't live it everyday. Enjoy your echo chamber of whiteness on this thread. I will happily speak up and continue to do so. What starts as a noise complaint can turninto cops showing up in the REAL world, not in your theater bubble. And that can lead to violence on Black bodies. So the optics of Ms. Lupone felt racially motivated to a predominately POC company - whether you like it or not. But it's obviously most of you don't care about how POC feel in this scenario. You'd rather us shut up and accept what we are given. That's what you and Patti have in common.

"

We are not talking about “the real world” though.

We ARE talking about a “theater bubble.”

The cops are not going to storm the Shubert and arrest the cast for being too loud.

Not everything is a social justice battle.

Like I said, I think her approach was insensitive, but I also think SHE is insensitive. She has also been an incredible, fearlessly vocalally for the anti Trump movement.

She is on the right side of history.

She’s just on the wrong side of tactfulness.

Anyway, I’m done for now. I’ll check back in tonight when the convo takes yet another crazy turn as I’m sure it will."

But see this is where your ignorance shows. Inside the theater community POC are often treated just as they are on the streets and in the world. And to most of you, you cannot comprehend that. So it's frustrating when POC speak up about their experiences and are shut down. RACISM exits in the theater bubble. It's why Patti has 28 show and Audra far less - but more Tony's. Maybe look up the Black Face that bowed on Broadway. Museum of Broadway has a whole section on it. You thinking there is a separation is exactly the problem. You just proved my point."

Of course racism exists in theater. No one is denying that. We are talking about an isolated incident that has nothing to do with race whether you like it or not.

Andagain, I too am black.

Call it a day and go tweet about this into the abyss.

It never has anything to do with race until there's a murder. Glad you're brainwashed too. Go tweet about that.

"

We’ve gone from “the show I share a wall with is too loud and I don’t want to sign their Playbill” to murder.

Okay."

Well you skipped the part where Patti called Kecia a bitch and she tried to slight Audra. WE didn't do anything. Your bitch did. So let's not have selective memory. 

 

[Ensemble1698878795]

Posted: 5/29/25 at 3:11pm

verywellthensigh said: "We have to police, pun intended, this behavior because the reverse wouldn't be permitted.

A Black star wouldn't have been permitted to request a theater manager to keep the noise down? You don't know that."

Can you read? Calling a beloved WHITE actress (Bernadette, Sutton)  a bitch in print would never be permitted from Black lips. Don't play stupid. 

[SmokeyLady]

Posted: 5/29/25 at 3:13pm

Ensemble1698878795 said:
"Can you read? Calling a beloved WHITE actress (Bernadette, Sutton)a bitch in print would never be permitted from Black lips. Don't play stupid."

 

Yes it would.   Most people wouldn't care. 

 

[verywellthensigh]

Posted: 5/29/25 at 3:18pm

What.  Would.  You.  Have.  Us.  Do.  Other.  Than.  Join.  A.  Do-nothing.  Online.  Mob?

[FolliesCabaret]

Posted: 5/29/25 at 3:21pm

What would you have us do, rent a volvo?

[soxboy22]

Posted: 5/29/25 at 3:32pm

Nevermind

[verywellthensigh]

Posted: 5/29/25 at 3:38pm

I think Patti, OHara and Ensemble should get together and see who can out-Peggy Gravel each other.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mc3QsZHu5SI

[MezzA101]

Posted: 5/29/25 at 3:41pm

Audra McDonald Responded to Those Patti Lupone Comments

 

https://www.thecut.com/article/audra-mcdonald-responded-patti-lupone-comments.html

[Ensemble1698878795]

Posted: 5/29/25 at 3:49pm

verywellthensigh said: "We have to police, pun intended, this behavior because the reverse wouldn't be permitted.

A Black star wouldn't have been permitted to request a theater manager to keep the noise down? You don't know that.

Patti's behavior is micro-aggressive, but she's using her unhealthy privilege as a white woman to escape consequence and many of you are letting her.

Letting her? I'm sorry, is Patti our dog? I don't even like Patti Lupone. What would you have us do and what do you think would be the IRL consequences of that? More to add to an online mob that achieves nothing? Again, you really need to think of activism outside of the internet."

And you should open your mind to comprehend that Broadway can possibly be just as racist as America- even if you don't see it. Sadly folks won't just be sitting around and tolerating white micro aggressions so everyone can debate about who gets the next Tony's.

 

[Ensemble1698878795]

Posted: 5/29/25 at 3:51pm

verywellthensigh said: "I think Patti, OHara and Ensemble should get together and see who can out-Peggy Gravel each other.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mc3QsZHu5SI"

I'm assuming that was some kind of beloved dusty white reference I'm suppose to know because white culture is the standard on this board. If it was dig, it didn't work. 

[Mickey3309]

Posted: 5/29/25 at 3:55pm

Ensemble1698878795 said: "verywellthensigh said: "Ensemble1698878795 said: "abcd12 said: "Ok, Ensemble1698878795 whatever you say. Do your arms hurt from reaching?

To think this all started because she said HK is too loud.

Which…it is."

It will always be a reach to people who don't live it everyday. Enjoy your echo chamber of whiteness on this thread. I will happily speak up and continue to do so. What starts as a noise complaint can turninto cops showing up in the REAL world, not in your theater bubble. And that can lead to violence on Black bodies. So the optics of Ms. Lupone felt racially motivated to a predominately POC company - whether you like it or not. But it's obviously most of you don't care about how POC feel in this scenario. You'd rather us shut up and accept what we are given. That's what you and Patti have in common.

"

We understand how deadly it can be when the cops are frivolously called on POC by irritated white people. But the truth of the matter is this DID happen in the theater bubble. Context matters, yes? Are you saying you think the managers of the theater were going to call the cops on the cast of Hell's Kitchen for being too loud? To conflate this kerfufflewith cop violence is ridiculous, more thana little desperate, and does nothing to convince people of your POV."

No, I'm saying the ability for a white woman to discredit two Black LEGENDS in the industry cannot be shrugged off as a mishap. We have to police, pun intended, this behavior because the reverse wouldn't be permitted. Patti's behavior is micro-aggressive, but she's using her unhealthy privilege as a white woman to escape consequence and many of you are letting her. She's comparing her resume to someone who would never be afforded the same opportunities EVER. To speak of Black women this way had no consequences in 1950, when Patti was growing up. The context is her lack of respect for Black art in the same space and about artist that have more Tony's than her - if were counting credits.It's the belittling of Black greatness and all that enable it. For POC Audra and Kecia are greats and racism in this country is consistently discrediting - which is exactly what Patti has done.

Once again… how can you not see how this is ironically disempowering??? One is *handing* Patti LuPone power by demanding respect and apology. I’m not trying to dissuade anyone from wanting or feeling deserving of apology or understanding - but she does not actually have the power to discredit or devalue anyone. The real powerful move here is to just be resilient and keep being excellent. To recognize that Audra & Kecia’s belief in their own unshakable excellence along with the support of countless people who validate their excellence is enough. This whole thing being “made right” should not be contingent on Patti LuPone apologizing or “not getting away with” something. I honestly don’t even totally know what you mean by “getting away with it.” She is being called out by so many people who are in support of Audra McDonald and Kecia Lewis. Evidently, Audra McDonald and Kecia Lewis have faith in their excellence. Demanding or requiring respect, apology, or punishment conveys a need that is disempowering. Of course it would be awesome if Patti showed some remorse. Makes sense to want it. But this need.. this demand… I just don’t know.

 

[Midnight Radio]

Posted: 5/29/25 at 3:58pm

Imagine your argument is "If it was reversed, you would all be outraged!" only to proceed to call people 'dusty white' etc...

Critical thinking!

[Ensemble1698878795]

Posted: 5/29/25 at 4:00pm

Mickey3309 said: "Ensemble1698878795 said: "verywellthensigh said: "Ensemble1698878795 said: "abcd12 said: "Ok, Ensemble1698878795 whatever you say. Do your arms hurt from reaching?

To think this all started because she said HK is too loud.

Which…it is."

It will always be a reach to people who don't live it everyday. Enjoy your echo chamber of whiteness on this thread. I will happily speak up and continue to do so. What starts as a noise complaint can turninto cops showing up in the REAL world, not in your theater bubble. And that can lead to violence on Black bodies. So the optics of Ms. Lupone felt racially motivated to a predominately POC company - whether you like it or not. But it's obviously most of you don't care about how POC feel in this scenario. You'd rather us shut up and accept what we are given. That's what you and Patti have in common.

"

We understand how deadly it can be when the cops are frivolously called on POC by irritated white people. But the truth of the matter is this DID happen in the theater bubble. Context matters, yes? Are you saying you think the managers of the theater were going to call the cops on the cast of Hell's Kitchen for being too loud? To conflate this kerfufflewith cop violence is ridiculous, more thana little desperate, and does nothing to convince people of your POV."

No, I'm saying the ability for a white woman to discredit two Black LEGENDS in the industry cannot be shrugged off as a mishap. We have to police, pun intended, this behavior because the reverse wouldn't be permitted. Patti's behavior is micro-aggressive, but she's using her unhealthy privilege as a white woman to escape consequence and many of you are letting her. She's comparing her resume to someone who would never be afforded the same opportunities EVER. To speak of Black women this way had no consequences in 1950, when Patti was growing up. The context is her lack of respect for Black art in the same space and about artist that have more Tony's than her - if were counting credits.It's the belittling of Black greatness and all that enable it. For POC Audra and Kecia are greats and racism in this country is consistently discrediting - which is exactly what Patti has done.

Once again… how can you not see how this is ironically disempowering??? One is*handing*Patti LuPone power by demanding respect and apology. I’m not trying to dissuade anyone from wanting or feeling deserving of apology or understanding - but she does not actually have the power to discredit or devalue anyone. The real powerful move here is to just be resilient and keep being excellent. To recognizethatAudra & Kecia’s belief in their own unshakable excellence along withthe support of countless people who validate their excellence is enough. This whole thing being “made right” should not be contingent on Patti LuPone apologizing or “not getting away with” something. I honestly don’t even totally know what you mean by “getting away with it.” She is being called out by so many people who are in support of Audra McDonald and Kecia Lewis. Evidently, Audra McDonald and Kecia Lewis have faith in their excellence. Demanding or requiring respect, apology, or punishment conveys aneedthat is disempowering. Of course it would be awesome if Patti showed some remorse. Makes sense to want it. But this need.. this demand… I just don’t know.

We don't need her power or stamp of approval. We need her to keep Black legends out her mouth and if she can't she will get the backlash she's getting. I love how people blame the folks defending these Black women for having an opinion. WE DIDN'T START THIS. PATTI DID. 

 

[FolliesCabaret]

Posted: 5/29/25 at 4:03pm

I mean, not to go all Into the Woods here, but if we're casting specific blame, Kecia Lewis made a private request that was not directed at her or involved her in any way public. And that's why all of this is happening, generally.

[SmokeyLady]

Posted: 5/29/25 at 4:04pm

"We don't need her power or stamp of approval. We need her to keep Black legends out her mouth and if she can't she will get the backlash she's getting. I love how people blame the folks defending these Black women for having an opinion. WE DIDN'T START THIS. PATTI DID. "

I don't need her to keep black women out of her mouth.  What a stupid thing to say.  What are you going to do?  Slap her?   Black women can handle themselves.  I don't need a white woman to edit herself.

Updated On: 5/29/25 at 04:04 PM

[MB124]

Posted: 5/29/25 at 4:21pm

Ensemble1698878795 said: "ER765 said: "Ensemble1698878795 said: "ER765 said: "Ensemble1698878795 said: "abcd12 said: "Ensemble1698878795 said: "abcd12 said: "Ok, Ensemble1698878795 whatever you say. Do your arms hurt from reaching?

To think this all started because she said HK is too loud.

Which…it is."

It will always be a reach to people who don't live it everyday. Enjoy your echo chamber of whiteness on this thread. I will happily speak up and continue to do so. What starts as a noise complaint can turninto cops showing up in the REAL world, not in your theater bubble. And that can lead to violence on Black bodies. So the optics of Ms. Lupone felt racially motivated to a predominately POC company - whether you like it or not. But it's obviously most of you don't care about how POC feel in this scenario. You'd rather us shut up and accept what we are given. That's what you and Patti have in common.

"

We are not talking about “the real world” though.

We ARE talking about a “theater bubble.”

The cops are not going to storm the Shubert and arrest the cast for being too loud.

Not everything is a social justice battle.

Like I said, I think her approach was insensitive, but I also think SHE is insensitive. She has also been an incredible, fearlessly vocalally for the anti Trump movement.

She is on the right side of history.

She’s just on the wrong side of tactfulness.

Anyway, I’m done for now. I’ll check back in tonight when the convo takes yet another crazy turn as I’m sure it will."

But see this is where your ignorance shows. Inside the theater community POC are often treated just as they are on the streets and in the world. And to most of you, you cannot comprehend that. So it's frustrating when POC speak up about their experiences and are shut down. RACISM exits in the theater bubble. It's why Patti has 28 show and Audra far less - but more Tony's. Maybe look up the Black Face that bowed on Broadway. Museum of Broadway has a whole section on it. You thinking there is a separation is exactly the problem. You just proved my point."

Of course racism exists in theater. No one is denying that. We are talking about an isolated incident that has nothing to do with race whether you like it or not.

Andagain, I too am black.

Call it a day and go tweet about this into the abyss.

It never has anything to do with race until there's a murder. Glad you're brainwashed too. Go tweet about that.

"

We’ve gone from “the show I share a wall with is too loud and I don’t want to sign their Playbill” to murder.

Okay."

Well you skipped the part where Patti called Kecia a bitch and she tried to slight Audra. WE didn't do anything. Your bitch did. So let's not have selective memory.

"

And murder / policing of POC connects to this how exactly…?

You sound ridiculous. The “connections” to racism are like playing a game of 6 Degrees - except it’s more like 16 Degrees. 

Updated On: 5/29/25 at 04:21 PM

[Ensemble1698878795]

Posted: 5/29/25 at 4:25pm

SmokeyLady said: ""We don't need her power or stamp of approval. We need her to keep Black legends out her mouth and if she can't she will get the backlash she's getting. I love how people blame the folks defending these Black womenfor having an opinion. WE DIDN'T START THIS. PATTI DID. "

I don't need her to keep black women out of here mouth? What a stupid thing to say. What are you going to do? Slap her? Black women can handle themselves. I don't need a white woman to edit herself."

1. Maybe spell check next time. 2. You are a conduit for whiteness and you wreak. 3. What are you gonna do? Nothing, but respond with ignorance. 4. Patti's legacy is actively being tarnish for her racist tendencies and no one will remember her for her work, but for her unneeded commentary. She sounds  old, white and out of touch. That's what we will remember about her. And it makes a little more sense why she was fired from Sunset Blvd. I think more white people SHOULD edit themselves when it comes to Black excellence and that's that on that. 

[RUkiddingme]

Posted: 5/29/25 at 4:26pm

Hopefully Patti and Audra can reconcile and do a duet together at the Tonys.

Maybe "Anything You Can Do" from Annie Get Your Gun

[justntime330]

Posted: 5/29/25 at 4:28pm

Updated On: 5/29/25 at 04:28 PM

[SmokeyLady]

Posted: 5/29/25 at 4:29pm

No one should edit themselves.  Unfortunately that includes you.  And I am now wondering if you are at all what you say you are.  I think you are just here to stir the pot.  You might not even be black.  At least I hope you are not.  If you are.. you are a discredit to my race. 

[MB124]

Posted: 5/29/25 at 4:31pm

Ensemble1698878795 said: "SmokeyLady said: ""We don't need her power or stamp of approval. We need her to keep Black legends out her mouth and if she can't she will get the backlash she's getting. I love how people blame the folks defending these Black womenfor having an opinion. WE DIDN'T START THIS. PATTI DID. "

I don't need her to keep black women out of here mouth? What a stupid thing to say. What are you going to do? Slap her? Black women can handle themselves. I don't need a white woman to edit herself."

1. Maybe spell check next time. 2. You are a conduit for whiteness and you wreak. 3. What are you gonna do? Nothing, but respond with ignorance. 4. Patti's legacy is actively being tarnish for her racist tendencies and no one will remember her for her work, but for her unneeded commentary. She soundsold, white and out of touch. That's what we will remember about her. And it makes a little more sense why she was fired from Sunset Blvd. I think more white people SHOULD edit themselves when it comes to Black excellence and that's that on that."

Racist tendencies? Stop lol

And you’re insinuating she was fired from Sunset because of racism…? Lmao

YOU might not remember her for her legacy, but most people will. Get over it. 

You’re clearly not convincing the majority of us but I’m sure you think that’s all bc of white privilege somehow. But by all means, keep going. 

[Ensemble1698878795]

Posted: 5/29/25 at 4:34pm

MB124 said: "Ensemble1698878795 said: "SmokeyLady said: ""We don't need her power or stamp of approval. We need her to keep Black legends out her mouth and if she can't she will get the backlash she's getting. I love how people blame the folks defending these Black womenfor having an opinion. WE DIDN'T START THIS. PATTI DID. "

I don't need her to keep black women out of here mouth? What a stupid thing to say. What are you going to do? Slap her? Black women can handle themselves. I don't need a white woman to edit herself."

1. Maybe spell check next time. 2. You are a conduit for whiteness and you wreak. 3. What are you gonna do? Nothing, but respond with ignorance. 4. Patti's legacy is actively being tarnish for her racist tendencies and no one will remember her for her work, but for her unneeded commentary. She soundsold, white and out of touch. That's what we will remember about her. And it makes a little more sense why she was fired from Sunset Blvd. I think more white people SHOULD edit themselves when it comes to Black excellence and that's that on that."

Racist tendencies? Stop lol

And you’re insinuating she was fired from Sunset because of racism…? Lmao

YOUmight not remember her for her legacy, but most people will. Get over it.

You’re clearly not convincing the majority of us but I’m sure you think that’s all bc of white privilege somehow. But by all means, keep going."

I wish you were intelligent enough to capture nuance, but nope. Can you comprehend multiple things at once? Did I say it was all because of racism? The industry is currently over Patti and her antics. I will keep going bc of people like you.