LuPone on McDonald- Page 22

[SteveSanders]

Posted: 5/29/25 at 7:06pm

Ensemble1698878795 said: "We don't have many legends that have been acknowledged, so when a white woman opens her jaw in the way she did it is a cultural response to defend these woman at all cost. To the everyday white theater goer Patti's actions are just her being entitled and comical. To a group of people that don't have a long list of Black regarded legends it's highly disrespectful and hurtful. It's the constant diminishing of the worth of these women that's upsetting. The is issue typically white people, like many on this board, sit silent in these instances and for US it's an attack on the whole. I don't know how else to explain it."

Thank you for sharing this.  It is a good reminder of what many people may not adequately acknowledge, understand, or appreciate.

 

[SmokeyLady]

Posted: 5/29/25 at 7:17pm

Ensemble1698878795 said: "
I'm not asking for Patti to glorify Black excellence. I'm requesting that she keeps her comments to herself. If she has a right to spew, we have a right to defend and I don't understand why everyone thinks we aren't allowed."

Who thinks that?  Creating drama with word salad is not defending.

[blaxx]

Posted: 5/29/25 at 7:20pm

Ensemble1698878795 said: "Midnight Radio said: "Here we go again, let's please identify her "racist tendencies." If your entire argument is she treats black people the same way she treats everyone else, the one failing to think critically or with nuance is you."

So she can treat anyone like trash and still have a fruitful career?That's WHITE PRIVILEGE my dear. You fail to admit it, but Black women are Black balled for such behavior.Patti is applauded. But no more."

Yes!  This is exactly how people on this board look at her. She is "blunt", "straightforward" and a legend, thus whatever she says is admirable because it comes from her. 

As Kad said on the first page of  this board, agree or not, "Patti's gonna Patti."

Fighting her stand on this board is futile.

Updated On: 5/29/25 at 07:20 PM

[Ensemble1698878795]

Posted: 5/29/25 at 7:37pm

blaxx said: "Ensemble1698878795 said: "Midnight Radio said: "Here we go again, let's please identify her "racist tendencies." If your entire argument is she treats black people the same way she treats everyone else, the one failing to think critically or with nuance is you."

So she can treat anyone like trash and still have a fruitful career?That's WHITE PRIVILEGE my dear. You fail to admit it, but Black women are Black balled for such behavior.Patti is applauded. But no more."

Yes! This is exactly how people on this board look at her. She is "blunt", "straightforward" and a legend, thus whatever she says is admirable because it comes from her.

As Kad said on the first page of this board, agree or not, "Patti's gonna Patti."

Fighting her stand on this board is futile."

Patti is YOUR legend. To many she's now an overrated BITCH. Again " Patti's gonna Patti" is an excuse for White privilege to White privilege. Let's just accept it. Nah, that's not how this works. 

 

[Ensemble1698878795]

Posted: 5/29/25 at 7:39pm

SmokeyLady said: "Ensemble1698878795 said: "
I'm not asking for Patti to glorify Black excellence. I'm requesting that she keeps her comments to herself. If she has a right to spew, we have a right to defend and I don't understand why everyone thinks we aren't allowed."

Who thinks that? Creating drama with word salad is not defending."

You going back and forth with me all day about what I'm not allowed to defend is exactly that. You could just shut up, but your rebuttal is exactly why people are speaking out. And I don't care if these boards never are FUN again. You don't get to disrespect Black women and keep your fun. It's a luxury. 

[verywellthensigh]

Posted: 5/29/25 at 7:44pm

Ensemble1698878795 said: "MB124 said: "So I’m stupid because I don’t agree with you.

Got it.

Well you’re wasting your breath and time.

“Nuance” is not the same thing as grasping at straws to connect a bitchy remark to someone’s race.

Don’t you think your energy might be better spent actually participating in some kind of activism?

I am sure you’ll respond but I am done trying to level with you so have fun talking to no one."

Activism is dismantling these threads of white people who want performances from Black legends, but won't defend them when a whole group of people tell you they're being disrespected. I know exactly where I am. Wouldn't your energy be better fit listening and shutting up to learn?"

No...that's raising awareness.  And a lot of slacktivists and finger-wagging church ladies think it's the end point.  It's not.  

[SmokeyLady]

Posted: 5/29/25 at 7:46pm

YOU shut up.  I am not going anywhere.  The only one disrespecting black women here is you.  Shame on you .

[Ensemble1698878795]

Posted: 5/29/25 at 7:49pm

SmokeyLady said: "YOU shut up. I am not going anywhere. The only one disrespecting black women here is you. Shame on you ."

OMG a thread about Patti LuPone has me disrespecting Black women....You're so twisted in your internalized racism you've lost your own self respect. You are your own shame. 

[Azúcar!]

Posted: 5/29/25 at 7:49pm

Ensemble1698878795 said: "SmokeyLady said: "Ensemble1698878795 said: "
I'm not asking for Patti to glorify Black excellence. I'm requesting that she keeps her comments to herself. If she has a right to spew, we have a right to defend and I don't understand why everyone thinks we aren't allowed."

Who thinks that? Creating drama with word salad is not defending."

You going back and forth with me all day about what I'm not allowed to defend is exactly that. You could just shut up, but your rebuttal is exactly why people are speaking out. And I don't care if these boards never are FUN again. You don't get to disrespect Black women and keep your fun. It's a luxury."

Whatever leg you thought you had to stand on you just lost.  How dare you tell anyone to shut up.  I find you offensive to both black and white people . 

[Ensemble1698878795]

Posted: 5/29/25 at 7:51pm

verywellthensigh said: "Ensemble1698878795 said: "MB124 said: "So I’m stupid because I don’t agree with you.

Got it.

Well you’re wasting your breath and time.

“Nuance” is not the same thing as grasping at straws to connect a bitchy remark to someone’s race.

Don’t you think your energy might be better spent actually participating in some kind of activism?

I am sure you’ll respond but I am done trying to level with you so have fun talking to no one."

Activism is dismantling these threads of white people who want performances from Black legends, but won't defend them when a whole group of people tell you they're being disrespected. I know exactly where I am. Wouldn't your energy be better fit listening and shutting up to learn?"

No...that's raising awareness. And a lot of slacktivists and finger-wagging church ladies think it's the end point. It's not."

I will not take advice on activism by active enablers of white supremacy. You're not winning this, babe. 

 

[SmokeyLady]

Posted: 5/29/25 at 7:52pm

More word salad. 

[Ensemble1698878795]

Posted: 5/29/25 at 7:52pm

Azúcar! said: "Ensemble1698878795 said: "SmokeyLady said: "Ensemble1698878795 said: "
I'm not asking for Patti to glorify Black excellence. I'm requesting that she keeps her comments to herself. If she has a right to spew, we have a right to defend and I don't understand why everyone thinks we aren't allowed."

Who thinks that? Creating drama with word salad is not defending."

You going back and forth with me all day about what I'm not allowed to defend is exactly that. You could just shut up, but your rebuttal is exactly why people are speaking out. And I don't care if these boards never are FUN again. You don't get to disrespect Black women and keep your fun. It's a luxury."

Whatever leg you thought you had to stand on you just lost. How dare you tell anyone to shut up. I find you offensive to both black and white people ."

How dare I tell someone to shut up? But it's OKAY for Patti to call folks BITCH. See how stupid you sound now? Y'all wanna defend foolishness, but not deal with it. You asked for this. You condone it from a white woman, but not on a board? 

[SmokeyLady]

Posted: 5/29/25 at 7:54pm

Bitch .. you are a mess.  We are all embarrassed for you .  

[Ensemble1698878795]

Posted: 5/29/25 at 7:57pm

SmokeyLady said: "Bitch .. you are a mess. We are all embarrassed for you ."

You'd have to know me and you don't. I'm embarrassed you call yourself a POC with the way you've been on here all day. Trust me it works both ways. 

[SmokeyLady]

Posted: 5/29/25 at 8:03pm

One doesn’t have to know you.  You have been here a few days going crazy.  Not really talking to anyone.  Just throwing your phony arguments out there and twisting words.  No one can really have a conversation because of you.  And you’re here with an agenda.  I don’t buy for one second the persona you’re attempting to portray.  

[Ensemble1698878795]

Posted: 5/29/25 at 8:06pm

SmokeyLady said: "One doesn’t have to know you. You have been here a few days going crazy. Not really talking to anyone. Just throwing your phony arguments out there and twisting words. No one can really have a conversation because of you. And you’re here with an agenda. I don’t buy for one second the persona you’re attempting to portray."

"Phony arguments" is a complete disregard of my stance and that is why this has become what it has. If you have no humanity within your bones to see any value in my POV you don't deserve a message board for fun. 

 

[DrMonicaDeMoneco]

Posted: 5/29/25 at 8:09pm

This thread is absolutely insane. 

[SmokeyLady]

Posted: 5/29/25 at 8:10pm

My goodness you have completely lost it.  Not one word coming out of you is making sense .

[Ensemble1698878795]

Posted: 5/29/25 at 8:16pm

SmokeyLady said: "My goodness you have completely lost it. Not one word coming out of you is making sense ."

Cool. You chose to make it this way and so it will be. Enjoy. 

 

[Bette's Turban]

Posted: 5/29/25 at 8:18pm

I believe Patti is on Andy Cohens Bravo show next Wednesday .  Should be good tv.

[verywellthensigh]

Posted: 5/29/25 at 8:32pm

Ensemble1698878795 said: "verywellthensigh said: "Ensemble1698878795 said: "MB124 said: "So I’m stupid because I don’t agree with you.

Got it.

Well you’re wasting your breath and time.

“Nuance” is not the same thing as grasping at straws to connect a bitchy remark to someone’s race.

Don’t you think your energy might be better spent actually participating in some kind of activism?

I am sure you’ll respond but I am done trying to level with you so have fun talking to no one."

Activism is dismantling these threads of white people who want performances from Black legends, but won't defend them when a whole group of people tell you they're being disrespected. I know exactly where I am. Wouldn't your energy be better fit listening and shutting up to learn?"

No...that's raising awareness. And a lot of slacktivists and finger-wagging church ladies think it's the end point. It's not."

I will not take advice on activism by active enablers of white supremacy. You're not winning this, babe.

How have I enabled white supremacy?  

I have said I thought Patti was a dick and I'm not in the dark about how racist Broadway can be.  I have heard from Black friends who have worked on Broadway how unpleasant the experience can be, with at least one telling me she'd never go back.  

Where we disagree is Patti's actions with the noise problem being a patently racist gesture or even a microaggression.  I disagree with your logic and your hyperbolic, condescending hostility to anyone who disagrees with you makes it very difficult to take you seriously.  From your love of Kafka traps to comparing minor infractions to murder to playing more-POC-than-thou with other Black voices on this board, you have done nothing but behave like Jane Elliott on massive amounts of crystal meth.  If your goal--and I still don't know what it is--is to create more compassion for Black suffering, you are failing miserably.  Like the White Fragility book which you clearly are a disciple of, you are meandering, hypocritical, and never come together into a cohesive argument.  

[Matt Rogers]

Posted: 5/29/25 at 8:32pm

SmokeyLady said: "My goodness you have completely lost it. Not one word coming out of you is making sense ."

If you were willing to use the quote button, people would know what you are responding to. 

[SmokeyLady]

Posted: 5/29/25 at 8:38pm

Matt Rogers said: "SmokeyLady said: "My goodness you have completely lost it. Not one word coming out of you is making sense ."

If you were willing to use the quote button, people would know what you are responding to."

Got it.  I am so sorry.  It is not worth is.  Just the crazy lady in the recent posts telling me I am a embarassment to people of color and then going of on some tantrums.  I am not sure.. but I think she just threatened me with a spell or something.  Scroll back if you think it is worth your time. 

[Matt Rogers]

Posted: 5/29/25 at 8:41pm

SmokeyLady said: "Matt Rogers said: "SmokeyLady said: "My goodness you have completely lost it. Not one word coming out of you is making sense ."

If you were willing to use the quote button, people would know what you are responding to."

Got it. I am so sorry. It is not worth is. Just the crazy lady in the recent posts telling me I am a embarassment to people of color and then going off on some tantrums. I am not sure.. but I think she just threatened me with a spell or something. Scroll back if you think it is worth your time."

Apparently there is a coven of witches (or at least b itches) on here lately. I wouldn’t worry about them. They have no power. 

[Idiot]

Posted: 5/29/25 at 8:42pm

SmokeyLady said: 
"Just the crazy lady in the recent posts telling me I am a embarassment to people of color and then going of on some tantrums. I am not sure.. but I think she just threatened me with a spell or something. Scroll back if you think it is worth your time."

I am very grateful that you're here.  That is all.