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MIRACLE WORKER already drawing protests

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#50re: MIRACLE WORKER already drawing protests
Posted: 10/29/09 at 7:52pm

A deaf AND blind actress would have trouble with this role, only because of the thrashing about and the tirades that Helen initiates on stage.

A deaf actress could play this part just fine! A blind actress would have trouble, because the character flails and fights so much. It would be easy in her "wars" with Annie Sullivan to seriously disorient and injure herself. Hell, even a perfectly sighted and hearing actress could get disoriented and injured, if they're really "going for it" in the role (as they should be).

To suggest that it's "ridiculous" for a deaf actress to play this role is insulting as well as inaccurate.

But the issue is "box office draw" here. He wanted a star. Since Pill isn't a "star," even if she is a reputable working actress, he has decided to cast Abigail Breslin, who will definitely bring in the "American Girl" crowd. I think it's admirable to think that the young girls of Abigail's age will be exposed to one of the best American plays ever written. All because they came to see "Nim" live on stage.

At the same time, it's always good to bring awareness to the issue of casting actors with disabilities, in roles that are obvious indicating it (like Helen Keller) or roles that aren't.


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#51re: MIRACLE WORKER already drawing protests
Posted: 10/29/09 at 8:48pm

I don't have much to add to the conversation, but the idea of Anna Paquin as Annie Sullivan makes me a little too excited, she's brilliant.
I too wonder why they decided to get a star as Helen and it makes perfect sense that they liked Pill enough to go with the star casting in the other direction.
I understand what people are saying though, and it's a sort of catch-22, there are no deaf actresses who have Breslin's box office power but how can there be any if they don't get cast in parts that allow them to become stars in the first place?


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#52re: MIRACLE WORKER already drawing protests
Posted: 10/30/09 at 12:05am

The reason there are protests is someone really wants to see a reprise of this fun scene.


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#53re: MIRACLE WORKER already drawing protests
Posted: 10/30/09 at 12:57am

With all due respect, it doesn't seem like many of you often interact with people who are blind and/or deaf. They are capable of much more than we who do not have these disabilities can truly comprehend.

I am not commenting on the advocacy group's position. I am simply saying, as someone who works at the national level with many blind and deaf individuals, that it is presumptuous to categorically determine that "only" a sighted and/or hearing actor can take on a particular part. That is our ignorance as non-disabled people talking. Believe me, I come face-to-face with my own ignorance everyday now. It's very humbling and enlightening.


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LadyDramaturg2
#54re: MIRACLE WORKER already drawing protests
Posted: 10/30/09 at 2:12am

"That's why they call it 'acting.'"

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#55re: MIRACLE WORKER already drawing protests
Posted: 10/30/09 at 7:26pm

I think a deaf actor could play the part well, but even if they were not looking for a star I suspect there are few child/teen deaf actors who would have the professional experience for a Broadway show. With a TV or movie you can do multiple takes and risk casting an unknown, but until TV or the movies produce a deaf child actress with established, professional experience I can't see casting one in a leading Broadway role.

Dollypop
#56re: MIRACLE WORKER already drawing protests
Posted: 10/30/09 at 7:44pm

I directed a high school production of THE MIRACLE WORKER about 12 years ago. Our Helen Keller was hearing impaired and taught the rest of the cast the required sign language.


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#57re: MIRACLE WORKER already drawing protests
Posted: 10/31/09 at 2:14pm

Miss Pennywise, I do get what your saying. But, the impression that I get is that they are saying that a blind and deaf actress is the only one who can do the part well. When I think that it isn't the case at all.

My director was in a production of this play when he was in high school. And, one thing that they did which I thought was pretty cool to help them get more into the play, was that the kids in the cast spent the day at a local school for the blind. Where, they had their eyes fully covered and they were given a walking stick. And, they had to learn what it was like to function in this school while blind just like all the other students.


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#58re: MIRACLE WORKER already drawing protests
Posted: 10/31/09 at 2:18pm

I think I prefer the training Patty Duke describes in her autobiography, about how her Mommie Dearest-style managers prepared her for her audition. She was blindfolded and they threw the furniture in front of her.

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#59re: MIRACLE WORKER already drawing protests
Posted: 10/31/09 at 2:50pm

How come I got this Happy Tree Friends picture in my head of someone being blindfolded and having couches etc crush them.


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#60re: MIRACLE WORKER already drawing protests
Posted: 10/31/09 at 3:34pm

I come at this from the perspective of someone who worked in the disability rights field for about a year. I got out of that for a whole host of reasons, but essentially my view is that it is one thing if there was a blatant choice not to audition anyone with a disability because of disability. It is another thing if they (the creative team) went in with the desire to have a star Helen at the outset, regardless of whether that person had a disability or not, and used that as a basis of who would get an audition and who would get the role. It is not unthinkable that they did not find someone suitable with a disability who did the role in such a way that served the piece and vision the best. If that person who got an audition (and maybe at the end, the role) did not have a disability, even though the character does, well, those are the breaks when the goal is to act the part on a Broadway stage.

I detest feelings of entitlement based on some quality- whether it is having a disability or not- to get any job. These kind of protests irk me to no end because it does nothing to promote equality and the idea that having a disability is just one facet of one's identity, It may demonstrate a lack of intimate awareness of all of the elements that went into a decision to go a certain way, which is counterproductive to making an overall point.

I am not deaf, but I do have Cerebral Palsy and I stutter when I speak so it is not like I am approaching this from an insensitive perspective. I am not saying no actor with a disability should ever be cast in any role where the character is also disabled if he/she can do the role, I am simply saying that other factors shape someone's identity and "fit" beyond whether he or she is disabled or not and those are considered in any decision for an interview/audition and/or job. Discrimination happens and it does suck, but not everything can be chalked up to disability status.

Ok...off my soapbox.


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nydirector2
#61re: MIRACLE WORKER already drawing protests
Posted: 10/31/09 at 8:45pm

You know what I'm pissed off about? Michael Cerveris was neither Deaf, Dumb, NOR Blind...AND wasn't really a Pinball Wizard!!!!! I mean...come on!!!!

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#62re: MIRACLE WORKER already drawing protests
Posted: 10/31/09 at 10:05pm

Why didn't they protest The Toxic Avenger?
Or Shrek for not getting a real dwarf to play the prince... same with Cameron in casting a Filipina to play Vietnamese roles! Geez!


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#63re: MIRACLE WORKER already drawing protests
Posted: 10/31/09 at 10:12pm

Also, it's interesting that there's been no controversy (yet) over the cast of Pill as Anne Sullivan--who was extremely sight-impaired for most of her life, eventually becoming completely blind.


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nydirector2
#64re: MIRACLE WORKER already drawing protests
Posted: 10/31/09 at 10:16pm

Actually....as a born and raised Alabamian(I grew up about 15 minutes from Ivy Green, where the Miracle Worker takes place), I am deeply offended by the fact that there are no real Alabamians in the cast. This is obviously an attack against Alabama born actors.

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#65re: MIRACLE WORKER already drawing protests
Posted: 10/31/09 at 10:22pm

With everything wrong in the world today...this is news! I work with disabled children everyday, and I just don't get it. Being blind or deaf doesn't "entitle" you to garner a role. I'm all for it if it could be done, but come on! A protest? Go fight for a bigger issue that affronts people with these types of disabilities. Wasted energy, I think! Pretty soon, we will become a society that can do nothing that is in the least "politically incorrect." Some people don't have enough to do to fill their time.

Gothampc
#66re: MIRACLE WORKER already drawing protests
Posted: 11/1/09 at 12:01am

As a Christian, I am deeply offended that they didn't hire an actual miracle worker to play the role.

I understand that it is difficult to find another Kathryn Kuhlman, but they didn't even bother to try.


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husk_charmer
#67re: MIRACLE WORKER already drawing protests
Posted: 11/1/09 at 12:47am

First, to weigh in on this debate. I understand both sides, but since DeafWest didn't co-produce, I can't say I'm surprised. And, what's to say he hadn't considered a deaf actress when casting began, only to have his plans changed?

In regards to Children of a Lesser god, I think that is only required of professional productions. We did it in high school (I was Orin) and none of us were deaf. The production was co-directed by our Sign Language teacher (who was deaf), and it was probably the best theatrical experience I've had in my entire life.


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#68re: MIRACLE WORKER already drawing protests
Posted: 11/1/09 at 2:05am

Just to make my earlier post clear...I was not addressing the position taken by the advocacy group. I made no mention at all about where I stand on the issue or if I even have a stand.

I was merely responding to people's posts and what they were assuming about people with disabilities. No one can really say that a blind actor could or could not do a particular role. It depends on the actor. (And the director and the play and a whole host of other things.)

Frankly, whatever kind of job it is in whatever profession, I believe that the person who should be hired is the person who is best for the job. That's it. And I know this sounds really selfish, but...when I attend the theatre, I want to be moved and inspired by what I see on the stage. I don't care if an actor actor has 40 years of experience, an MFA, an Oscar, a recent high school diploma or was just dragged in off the street. Just make my theatre experience meaningful!

Having said that, keep in mind that when an advocacy group uses a high-profile event to make a statement, it gets people talking. It raises awareness of the issue, even if the debate tends to lean in favor of the opposing view. And that is sometimes the advocacy group's goal: to get people to pay attention. Again, I'm not saying I support this approach. I'm simply pointing out that it's a common tactic among organizations, agencies and companies as a means to generate publicity. And we have to admit that it works because here we are posting about it!

Oh, and it doesn't hurt the production either...it generates more interest and builds a wider audience. In other words, it sells tickets. So, really, this whole thing is a win-win! (Anyone remember the great "Miss Saigon" debate?)



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#69re: MIRACLE WORKER already drawing protests
Posted: 11/1/09 at 2:14am

This thread is hilarious. Pretty much they want Helen Keller to come back to life and play herself on Broadway. So much for "acting".

If Helen Keller fell down in the woods, would she make a sound?


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broadwayguy2
#70re: MIRACLE WORKER already drawing protests
Posted: 11/1/09 at 5:21am

Perhaps a grunt.. But she'll do a helluva job signing "water"!

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#71re: MIRACLE WORKER already drawing protests
Posted: 11/1/09 at 12:12pm

excellent post Pennywise! Brava

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#72re: MIRACLE WORKER already drawing protests
Posted: 11/1/09 at 3:19pm

I want to add to what Pennywise had said. I think that when it comes down to it when you're talking about hiring, regardless of the job, I think that you need to go with the best person for the job. My father got a lot of crap from clients when he was starting his business because of the fact that all the people he hired were women. Did my father refuse to hire or interview men for any of the jobs there? Of course not, it just so happened that the best team he could get was all women.

One mother that he was working with thought that it was great because she had never seen an office like that before. One of the fathers of another family thought it to be sexist towards men. At the end of the day, it doesn't matter what the gender is or if the person is disabled or not. The only thing that really matters is if they are the best one for the job.


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#73re: MIRACLE WORKER already drawing protests
Posted: 11/1/09 at 3:52pm

A way to solve this would be to cast the Perkins children with actors who are visually impaired. They aren't onstage for too long and don't have that complicated of a task to complete. I've seen a production before where the Helen had no disability but the Perkins children were visually impaired and it was very powerful. I think that would work well for this production as the director would get his star but also raise awareness at the same time.

Craww
#74re: MIRACLE WORKER already drawing protests
Posted: 11/1/09 at 3:59pm

I think a deaf person or a blind person could play this role, sure. (...probably not a deaf blind person, I'm sorry. Even if it's not impossible, casting it would be.)

I don't think there's anything wrong with this considering they were open about their desire for a name. It wasn't just the deaf or blind actresses who were denied an audition.

Are the deaf protestors bothered that the actor chosen isn't blind? Why aren't they including blind people who disagree with the casting? Helen Keller is just as much "theirs".

I don't think she is, though. I think the deaf community relates deeper to Helen Keller's story, because of the struggle to learn and communicate. Learning and communication for a blind person is comparatively simple.


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