Making It On Broadway - th truth? — Page 8

ok,bluewizard,
just reread the entire thread(and boy,does my head hurt)-my original post simply thanked the guy for reminding me about the book title.If you hadn't come in w/the shill accusations,it would then likely have died a pretty quick death.My major objection was if any are allowed to shill,all should be allowed to shill-openly,secretly,stupidly,rudely-where do you draw the line?It's an open forum..
It's also worth pointing out that not only did ny2004 not start the thread,he didn't even post until a day after the first post.
Having said that,I certainly understand why you would harbor leftover anger-nyc2004 treated you badly-I never said he wasn't a pompous & condescending & apologise that I didn't make it clear that he was included when I said I didn't understand the hostility on the board.It really doesn't sound like that great(and "groundbreaking")a book,but I do want to read it..
I just wish you didn't let him bother you so much...you sound like a nice person...

Updated On: 12/2/04 at 12:51 AM

I agree NYC2004, it is FAR better to have a realistic view of what can and does happen in this business so that it doesn't beat you over the head when you start working. Besises, it helps you appreciate the GOOD stuff even more.

so you have said

I think a LOT of the problem is the audience DOES only see the 'glamour' part. That is what they have shoved down their throat 24/7 every day, all of their lives. They see this buisness as so glamorous. You can contradict that all you want, but because it challenges what they have seen their entire life, it doesn't sit well with them and they may HEAR it and say "yes, that might have happened to so and so", but they don't neccessarily ACCEPT that and still look at those 'bad events' as a rare fluke.

exactly. and like I said.. regardless if EVERY "that bad" or not, you HAVE to be prepared for the worse case scenario.

maybe you have to be an actor to fully appreciate this book........

Rath, I'm not saying I have a better perspective than you.... I am saying that working actors have a better perspective of it than teenagers who criticize this book as negative (BlueWizard for example).

Like Is aid... it's best to know the worse case scenario before get into it.

I'll send you my resume, NYC20042, then you'll see what kind of "shady character" I'm not. Shilling is one thing, attacking people's integrity on a message board at the same time is another.

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Oh sorry. Groupie or Broadway clinger-on then? Whichever. How long have you worked in the biz? What exactly have you done? I want to know what qualifies you to be so all-knowing. Are you Chita Rivera? Nathan Lane? Jerry Orbach?

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He wouldn't be. I'm just talking about years of experience. Not level of stardom.

Perhaps NYC20042 has been a dancer for many years and hasn't achieved the breakout role he desires. I don't know. I just wonder why he has such a strong agenda and can't even discuss anything that doesn't agree with everything in that book 150%. I have a friend who's quoted in that book and even she doesn't agree with everything in the book 100%, and she's worked on Broadway for over 25 years. Everyone is going to have different experiences and we should be able to discuss them. Otherwise, why bother coming on a message board?

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That's fine. I get that. But you're not attacking me for my opinions. He is. Along with BlueWizard, Plum, and anyone else who dares to bring up a questionable view.

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Come on now - there is nothing wrong with healthy debate

How the hell would you know? You don't engage in it on this thread, that's for sure.

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I think bluewizard was wrong-ny2004 isn't a shill-rather an anti-shill.If you're trying to get someone to come round to your point of view,you don't insult,mock(blue LIZARD?),or talk to them as though they're idiots.
I'll defend your right to shill(even to voice obnoxious opinions),but I'm w/popcultureboy here-you're not engaging in a healthy discussion...

I hear ya,rathnait-ny2004 is actually doing a disservice to the authors/book.Still really don't think he's affiliated w/them-he's just found a hot topic & is enjoying pushing people's buttons.

I think bluewizard was wrong-ny2004 isn't a shill-rather an anti-shill

Actually, I just want to clarify that my problem with NYC2004 is less about shilling and more about the rudeness and disrespect for others he's shown on the board - shilling just seemed like a reason for him attacking negative views of the book. For example, his latest post towards me:
It can save kids from becoming like yourself - Sad and angry.
How's that for a personal attack?

you're trying to get someone to come round to your point of view,you don't insult,mock(blue LIZARD?)

I actually think "Blue Lizard" is rather cute! Although my lizard ain't blue...

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Updated On: 12/2/04 at 12:57 PM