Making It On Broadway - th truth?- Page 6

[NYC20042]

Posted: 11/11/04 at 5:05pm

So we should simply forget about the arts and spend all of our time helping the homeless?

No, I don't think so. Both issues are important and should be addressed. Theater and art are critical for society - and their evolution is all of our responsibility.

Updated On: 11/11/04 at 05:05 PM

[Plum]

Posted: 11/11/04 at 5:09pm

There's only one of me. Obviously, you've decided to turn your energies towards the area of acting by promoting the hell out of this book. I made a different choice. So be it.

I didn't say Making it on Broadway was untrue. Just not groudbreaking or that good, literarily. I liked the book overall, but only because I knew about its tilt before I read it and forced myself to ignore it as much as I could. Updated On: 11/11/04 at 05:09 PM

[Bobby457]

Posted: 11/11/04 at 5:09pm

Its interesting I have had just about everything in that list happen to me

[papalovesmambo]

Posted: 11/11/04 at 5:15pm

yes, but bobby, you were paying for those no?

[NYC20042]

Posted: 11/11/04 at 5:16pm

Plum:

I am hardly promoting any book here. I read it, liked it, and I am simply responding to illogical and flimsy criticisms of it.

[Bobby457]

Posted: 11/11/04 at 5:25pm

Papa, I paid in blood, sweat and tears!

[clarky]

Posted: 11/11/04 at 5:32pm

Hey Bobby, who is this handsome in your profile?

[clarky]

Posted: 11/11/04 at 5:33pm

Bobby, would you like to share some stories?

[papalovesmambo]

Posted: 11/11/04 at 5:34pm

hunh. most of the people i know won't take anything but cash. i gotta broaden my, uh, horizons.

[midtowngym]

Posted: 11/11/04 at 5:43pm

i know Bobby, and i'm certain he'd bend over backwards to regale you with a story. Oops.... have i said too much?

[Bobby457]

Posted: 11/11/04 at 5:54pm

Clarky---the guy in the picture is me.

I have had 2 instances with 2 different directors, they made a pass, I politely declined....and now they wont see me for things they are directing....THAT is the stuff that makes me a little bitter....

[papalovesmambo]

Posted: 11/11/04 at 5:54pm

i'm gonna end up getting us all tossed off the main board!

[Plum]

Posted: 11/11/04 at 6:02pm

Okay, back on topic, then. Sorta.

NYC, I'm not accusing you of shilling- but you keep raving about the book, so I call it promotion. I've done the same thing with shows I like. It's no big deal.

[papalovesmambo]

Posted: 11/11/04 at 6:04pm

you should see what she's done with, uh, shows, heh heh, she liked.

[BlueWizard]

Posted: 11/11/04 at 11:26pm

Journalism:
(1)The collecting, writing, editing, and presenting of news or news articles in newspapers and magazines and in radio and television broadcasts.
(2)Material written for publication in a newspaper or magazine or for broadcast.

I have a fabulous party to go to tonight so I don't have time to play symantic games; but I really do detest the condescending and sarcastic tone of NYC20042 (and, as an English major, having someone insult my grasp of the English language particularly enflames me).

So I'll just add this: first, I specifically said the book WASN'T a work of journalism, but that NYC20042 was treating it as such. So if anyone is mistaken, it is NYC20042 in failing to understand me. Second, besides a dictionary definition of words, there are also hues and contextual ramifications of terms like "journalism": the word also suggests objective integrity, which the book lacks (another reason why I haven't called it "journalism").

Alright, time to go to that party.

[B.B. Wolf]

Posted: 11/12/04 at 12:45am

I think it's a good book. I personally learned a lot of interesting pieces of info in the book. Granted, it's nothing you can't learn about in full detail in ONE evening in a Broadway green room. But, that's not available to all, and a book is. I think it's very valuable and interesting if you're obsessed with Broadway and the actor's life. And like I mentioned in my previous post (which no one responded to cuz they were too busy arguing about nothing ), everyone sees the good side of performing. Few people see the not-so-good side. It may go a little overboard on the downer stories, that's for each reader to decide. So I'm kind of unclear as to what this argument is about: are we doubting the truthfulness of the actors' complaints? Or just doubting their motives for expressing these gripes? I can tell you now, they're not lying. Is it whiny? Sure. Does that make it untrue? Absolutely not. So I'm going to assume this about motives. So you have to ask yourself, why would they WANT to express these complaints? Goodness knows it wouldn't be to advance their careers. Is it just to dish and be gossip-y? That's a very viable option, we are a gossipping sort. OR could it be to give those who view Broadway through rose-colored glasses info on the bad stuff so they won't be unprepared when it does inevitably happen? To stress that it's not all fun, games, and glory. There's crap, too. Reality amid the "glitz and glamour". I don't think this book is designed to temper anyone's enthusiasm for Broadway. Nor was it written just so these actors could bitch. It's somewhere in the middle.
Two cents, tossed. Again.

[clarky]

Posted: 11/12/04 at 4:39am

Bobby, all I can say is: they have good taste!

[NYC20042]

Posted: 11/12/04 at 8:27am

B.B. Wolf - I think you got it exactly right.

And, Blue, of course the book is subjective. It is how the Authors and contibutors perceive Broadway - based on decades of experience. Please don't tell me that you are one of "those people" who beleives that "their" views are the objective truth and everthing else is biased. Should you be such a gospel of truth, I congratulate you, but I doubt it.


Updated On: 11/12/04 at 08:27 AM

[broadwayguy2]

Posted: 11/12/04 at 8:28am

Bobby is quite the studdly one, no?

[theatreangel]

Posted: 11/12/04 at 8:39am

I agree. I'll freely admit, I was one of the people who, until only very recently, had the mentality of, "Oh, when I'm grown up and move to NYC and audition, I'll get all the roles I want and be fine." It's not like that. Yes, it is based on talent somewhat--I mean, I haven't seen a show where a lead was completely untalented--but, when you really get down to it, it's just a business. There's the casting couch, unemployment, cramped apartments, and while all that may look glorious when played out on the Nederlander stage, I'm sure it isn't.

Still, I think I'm going to check out this book.

[broadwayguy2]

Posted: 11/12/04 at 8:40am

you may have an easier time or a very rough time.. but you really should read about all the bad stuff so that whatever happens, you are prepared for it.

[clarky]

Posted: 11/12/04 at 9:07am

I have to admit, that when I read the chapter "Sex at the Workplace" I thought it would be more about casting couches and who with whom. It was actually more like "Mobbing at the Workplace"

[Bobby457]

Posted: 11/12/04 at 9:46am

Thanks Clarky and who is the cutie in your icon?

[clarky]

Posted: 11/12/04 at 10:05am

That was the German Joseph. A very handsome, lovely and humble person.

[Musetta1957]

Posted: 11/12/04 at 3:33pm

I can tell it's not Andi Bieber. What's his name?