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[rosscoe(au)]

Posted: 7/11/19 at 5:25am

If you where to strip away all the spectacle sets , customers , lights , would it still be a great show? 

[disneybroadwayfan22]

Posted: 7/11/19 at 5:26am

So, what’s the Elephant Love Medley like now?

[Mike Barrett]

Posted: 7/11/19 at 7:03am

rosscoe(au) said: "If you where to strip away all the spectacle sets , customers , lights , would it still be a great show?"

Great is subjective but I’d say no. The set is what truly makes the experience for me personally

 

[Justin D]

Posted: 7/11/19 at 8:42am

Mike Barrett said: "rosscoe(au) said: "If you where to strip away all the spectacle sets , customers , lights , would it still be a great show?"

Great is subjective but I’d say no. The set is what truly makes the experience for me personally

"

I guess this is an interesting point, but for me I am from the era where I want big splashy sets, to me that IS theatre, to be transformed into another world, (particularly when the ticket price is so high)

[WhizzerMarvin]

Posted: 7/11/19 at 8:56am

disneybroadwayfan22 said: "So, what’s the Elephant Love Medley like now? "

The Elephant Love Medley retains maybe 1/3(?) of its songs from the film and the other two thirds are new. It is much longer in the stage show than on film. 

To the other question, the show would not be strong without the sets, costumes, lights, but that was an integral part of the film too (masterful editing, sound mixing, etc). 

I strongly disagree though that we need big splashy to be transferred into another world. Peter and the Starcatcher masterfully took us to Neverland with nothing more than a rope and a few chairs (remember those days Mr Timbers? Excessives of money are never a substitute for actual creativity!) Tovah Feldshuh can stand alone on an empty stage and take you to other worlds, as can many others. 

This is not to say that spectacle is inherently bad or that I don’t enjoy it, but there still should be something underneath. Tommy Tune, who was brought up earlier in this thread, maybe understood that better than anyone. 

[rosscoe(au)]

Posted: 7/11/19 at 11:00am

Thanks for the answers , that’s the thing remove all the splashy and what your left with is not worth the sum of it parts. Which is a pity. But these producers did the same with King Kong , Strictly Ballroom, sometimes getting the book right is better than splashy

Don't get me wrong I love over the top as much as anyone, but one can only dress mutton up so much. 

Updated On: 7/11/19 at 11:00 AM

[LoriBelle2]

Posted: 7/11/19 at 11:32am

rosscoe(au) said: "If you where to strip away all the spectacle sets , customers , lights , would it still be a great show?"

The simple answer is no. It’s terrible and if it not for everything you mentioned it could be a contender for dud of the year. Sadly too many will pay the money and love it after being taken on a journey to Paris through probably one of the best sets I’ve ever seen. 

[FlyHigh523]

Posted: 7/11/19 at 11:54am

Seems like people either adore this show, or absolutley hate it. I’m interested to see what the critics have to say!

[Miles2Go2]

Posted: 7/11/19 at 12:15pm

Well, the NYT seemed to love it out-of-town. Unless someone else from NYT reviews it, I doubt that changes.

[IHeartNY2]

Posted: 7/11/19 at 1:24pm

Just want to make sure I got this right: If you strip away the set, lighting, costumes and any of the other bells and whistles from a show that's designed to be an over-the-top spectacle, then it won't be as strong a show? 

My BWW theory holds up.

[Sho-Tunes-R-Us]

Posted: 7/11/19 at 1:48pm

IHeartNY2 said: "Just want to make sure I got this right: If you strip awaythe set, lighting, costumesand any of the other bells and whistles from a show that's designed to be an over-the-top spectacle, then it won't be as strong a show?

My BWW theory holds up."

The equivalent to MR back in the day would be CATS..    No book to speak of there, just sheer spectacle...and love it or hate it, everyone wanted to see it.

[Luscious]

Posted: 7/11/19 at 2:18pm

If you ever want to ruin a show for yourself before seeing it, come to this board. I broke my own rule this time, but I try to avoid these types of threads until after I've seen the show. The amount of bombastic bulls#!t on this board by wannabe actors and/or theater critics is waist deep. Please don't tell me that I'm only going to enjoy a show because of the amount of money I've spent on tickets, or because the set is the only thing the show has going for it, so I'll just ignore and forgive everything else. To suggest that that's the only reason a show will be enjoyed or successful (despite your in-depth analysis and expertise in all things theater), is a pompous and arrogant point of view. And, yes, I know I don't have to click on this thread or give credence to anyone else's opinion, and I usually don't, but there are plenty of theater loving people who come to this board for advice on which shows are worth seeing, who can be influenced and swayed from experiencing what might be for them, a fantastic and memorable night of theater. Not saying that this is that show, since I won't be seeing it until next month, but whether or not it is for me, doesn't mean it won't be for someone else.

[Hellob]

Posted: 7/11/19 at 2:24pm

Luscious said: "If you ever want to ruin a show for yourself before seeing it, come to this board. I broke my own rule this time, but I try to avoid these types of threadsuntil after I've seen the show. The amount of bombastic bulls#!t on this board by wannabe actors and/or theater critics is waist deep. Please don't tell me that I'm only going to enjoy a showbecause of the amount of money I've spent on tickets, or because the set is the only thing the show has going for it, so I'll just ignore and forgive everything else. To suggest that that's the only reason a show will be enjoyed or successful (despite your in-depth analysis and expertise inall things theater), is a pompous and arrogant point of view. And, yes, I know I don't have to click on this thread or give credence to anyone else's opinion, and I usually don't, but there are plenty of theater loving people who come to this board for advice on which shows are worth seeing, who can be influencedand swayed from experiencing what might be for them, a fantastic and memorable night of theater.Not saying that this is that show, since I won't be seeing it until next month, but whether or not it is for me, doesn'tmean it won't be for someone else."

Lol, it’s totally NORMAL to complain about people who are talking about their thoughts about a show on a thread about their thoughts about a show. 

[IHeartNY2]

Posted: 7/11/19 at 2:25pm

Kind of missing the point there, Hellob

[Hellob]

Posted: 7/11/19 at 2:29pm

IHeartNY2 said: "Kind of missing the point there, Hellob"

Maybe I missed it bc of the long winded tsk-tsking haha idc. 

 

[LxGstv]

Posted: 7/11/19 at 2:32pm

I fail to see how reading any of this would ruin a show for someone, might make you a little more informed about it, but ruin it?!

[Gizmo6]

Posted: 7/11/19 at 2:48pm

I was to see the second preview but sadly couldn't travel. 

I just saw the curtain call on Youtube. 

Now I don't know if the followed the movie but why on earth would they go into a mega mix at the end of this story? I grew up in the era of the late 80's blockbuster musicals Phantom, Les Mis and Sunset which all were great tragedies, that didn't feel the need to go into a cheery number at the end. 

I find it the continual dumbing down of culture. 

Let me cry MuthaFockkers. I want my catharsis! 

Leave the Mega Mix to Joseph. 

[Impossible2]

Posted: 7/11/19 at 2:52pm

Luscious said: "If you ever want to ruin a show for yourself before seeing it, come to this board. I broke my own rule this time, but I try to avoid these types of threadsuntil after I've seen the show. The amount of bombastic bulls#!t on this board by wannabe actors and/or theater critics is waist deep. Please don't tell me that I'm only going to enjoy a showbecause of the amount of money I've spent on tickets, or because the set is the only thing the show has going for it, so I'll just ignore and forgive everything else. To suggest that that's the only reason a show will be enjoyed or successful (despite your in-depth analysis and expertise inall things theater), is a pompous and arrogant point of view. And, yes, I know I don't have to click on this thread or give credence to anyone else's opinion, and I usually don't, but there are plenty of theater loving people who come to this board for advice on which shows are worth seeing, who can be influencedand swayed from experiencing what might be for them, a fantastic and memorable night of theater.Not saying that this is that show, since I won't be seeing it until next month, but whether or not it is for me, doesn'tmean it won't be for someone else."

If your decision to go and see a show is made because of what someone on a message board says about it, then you're the problem not them x

[BenjaminNicholas2]

Posted: 7/11/19 at 3:33pm

So, based on what I'm reading, I'll leave the theatre humming the set.

At least they're honest about it being yet another theme park show.

[IHeartNY2]

Posted: 7/11/19 at 4:30pm

I already had my rant earlier, but I'll just say it's nice to come here and read people's opinions, good or bad--when they're objective. It gets exhausting when people constantly take heavy-handed cheap shots, (which usually happens with jukebox musicals). The resentment towards anything that's too flashy, too mainstream, too tourist-friendly is a bit much. What's great is that there's something for everyone. Personally, I'm happy to pay the big bucks for a show that's more exciting than anything I've seen in the last five years. Not everyone cares about the Band's Visits or the Come From Aways of the world. Some of us just want to have a fun time. 

[Impossible2]

Posted: 7/11/19 at 5:04pm

IHeartNY2 said: "I already had my rant earlier, but I'll just say it's nice to come here and read people's opinions, good or bad--when they're objective. It gets exhausting when people constantly take heavy-handed cheap shots, (which usually happens with jukebox musicals). The resentment towards anything that's too flashy, too mainstream, too tourist-friendly is a bit much. What's great is that there's something for everyone. Personally, I'm happy to pay the big bucks for a show that's more exciting than anything I've seen in the last five years. Not everyone cares about the Band's Visits or the Come From Aways of the world. Some of us just want to have a fun time."

This is literally all in your head, I have not seen one person slag it for being a JBM.

For throwing the whole Jukebox in there maybe, but I'm pretty sure going in most people knew what they were getting.

The only thing most have criticised in this thread is the ending x

[IHeartNY2]

Posted: 7/11/19 at 5:28pm

I wish I was wrong. But plenty of folks on here just don't like JBMs; they don't have to say it explicitly. I can already predict what the TINA preview thread will look like. 

Updated On: 7/11/19 at 05:28 PM

[Impossible2]

Posted: 7/11/19 at 5:38pm

IHeartNY2 said: "I wish I was wrong. But plenty of folks on here just don't like JPMs; they don't have to say it explicitly. I can already predict what the TINA preview thread will look like."

Mhmmm

[dramamama611]

Posted: 7/11/19 at 6:42pm

Oh, good lord. So WHAT if people don't like jukebox musicals?  Do you really think people are spending good money to sit through a show JUST to piss on it?  No, they aren't.  Additionally, people don't go to see MR expecting to see an original score - are people here (for the most part) tearing the jukebox movie musical apart?  NOPE.

I don't like jukebox musicals.  I don't like spectacle. I didn't even like the film, MR.  But I went to see it in Boston last summer, because I was curious.  We enjoyed it so much that having awful seats only made us want to go back to see it again - and we weren't disappointed.  We've been looking forward to it opening in NY and have tix to see it again at the end of the month.  I hoping I STILL like it, and that I like the changes they've made.   

But there are going to be people that don't like it.  AND THAT'S OKAY.   I prefer conversations that have varying views, and them not liking it has no bearing on my enjoyment.  There are people that hate nearly every show: Hamilton, Spring Awakening, Dear Evan Hansen - and it still doesn't matter.   I've seen people here have the biggest doubts about shows, casting, etc that STILL go to the theater to HOPEFULLY be proven wrong.  Most recently, Jordan (poster here) that has been quite vocal about his dislike for MR from the Boston run - but had mostly positive things to say about the show when he saw it again last week.  MANY posters here assumed that The Prom was going to be a piece of crap - and then fell in love with it.

And if Tina gets crappy reviews from the board - so be it.  But know, that those people are still putting their money where their mouth is HOPING that the show is great.  ME?   I won't even be buying a ticket - because I hate bio-jukebox musicals.  And that doesn't make me a bad person.

[IHeartNY2]

Posted: 7/11/19 at 7:47pm

dramamama611 said: "Oh, good lord. So WHAT if people don't like jukebox musicals? Do you really think people are spending good money to sit through a show JUST to piss on it? No, they aren't."

A very valid and logical point. HOWEVER, if I may use ATP as an example: How many people came on here to say it was terrible, had ZERO CHANCE at any noms, and it basically would be a "nice write-off for its investors." No one is going to convince me that they all paid good money to sit through it. Certain shows get attacked more than others. And I'm noticing it's usually shows that fit a certain profile. That is all.