Neil Simon/Brooks Atkinson - Are they cursed?

[funhamilton_rent]

Neil Simon/Brooks Atkinson - Are they cursed?#1

Posted: 10/20/15 at 6:18pm

These theaters never have a long standing show, and they rarely get good grosses. Let's face it. The latest shows in the Brooks Atkinson are It Shoulda Been You and Love Letters. Spring Awakening is in it now. The Neil Simon has hosted Gigi, The Last Ship, and Big Fish. What do you think??

Updated On: 10/20/15 at 06:18 PM

[BroadwayConcierge]

Neil Simon/Brooks Atkinson - Are they cursed?#2

Posted: 10/20/15 at 11:49pm

If we're starting this cursed theaters thread, add the Nederlander to the list.

[haterobics]

Neil Simon/Brooks Atkinson - Are they cursed?#3

Posted: 10/20/15 at 11:51pm

BroadwayConcierge said: "If we're starting this cursed theaters thread, add the Nederlander to the list."

 

Yeah, Rent and Newsies were... flops?

[Call_me_jorge]

Neil Simon/Brooks Atkinson - Are they cursed?#4

Posted: 10/20/15 at 11:55pm

Of all theatres I'd say the lyric is by far the most cursed. It hasn't had a show recoup yet.

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[LightsOut90]

Neil Simon/Brooks Atkinson - Are they cursed?#5

Posted: 10/20/15 at 11:59pm

^ and don't forget Million Dollar Quartet ran for over a year.

[haterobics]

Neil Simon/Brooks Atkinson - Are they cursed?#6

Posted: 10/21/15 at 12:03am

There's another, heh. You don't need a cursed theater for Honeymoon in Vegas and Amazing Grace.

[Mr Roxy]

Neil Simon/Brooks Atkinson - Are they cursed?#7

Posted: 10/21/15 at 12:10am

I previously brought up the idea of the Simon being cursed and I was told I was dreaming and theaters are not cursed.

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[haterobics]

Neil Simon/Brooks Atkinson - Are they cursed?#8

Posted: 10/21/15 at 12:12am

Mr Roxy said: "I previously brought up the idea of the Simon being cursed and I was told I was dreaming and theaters are not cursed."

 

Correct.

[After Eight]

Neil Simon/Brooks Atkinson - Are they cursed?#9

Posted: 10/21/15 at 12:16am

"These theaters never have a long standing show, and they rarely get good grosses."

 

Never? Come Blow Your Horn, Same Time, Next Year, Hairspray...

 

"What do you think??"

 

See above.

[RaiseYouUp]

Neil Simon/Brooks Atkinson - Are they cursed?#10

Posted: 10/21/15 at 12:28am

Hairspray was anything but a flop

[Smaxie]

Neil Simon/Brooks Atkinson - Are they cursed?#11

Posted: 10/21/15 at 12:32am

Yes, after coming offstage from Il Trovatore at the Metropolitan Opera, Azucena visits the theatre district and curses Broadway theatres.  She does so to avenge the Broadway career of Irra Petina.  "Sei vendicata, o madre!" she exclaims, as she crumples to a heap in front of the Copacabana.  

Begin at the beginning and go on till you come to the end: then stop.

Updated On: 10/21/15 at 12:32 AM

[adamgreer]

Neil Simon/Brooks Atkinson - Are they cursed?#12

Posted: 10/21/15 at 4:02am

Yeah, Hairspray and All the Way were huge flops. 

[dramamama611]

Neil Simon/Brooks Atkinson - Are they cursed?#13

Posted: 10/21/15 at 4:03am

And just who or what would have placed the curse?  

 

There is no such thing as a cursed theater.  Shows flop more often then succeed, pure and simple.

If we're not having fun, then why are we doing it? These are DISCUSSION boards, not mutual admiration boards. Discussion only occurs when we are willing to hear what others are thinking, regardless of whether it is alignment to our own thoughts.

[Comden Green]

Neil Simon/Brooks Atkinson - Are they cursed?#14

Posted: 10/21/15 at 6:00am

So your hypothesis is that it is the building that caused the plays to be bad rather than the creative team. 

Or it is the building that caused the reviews to be bad - rather than the plays being the cause of the bad reviews. 

Or that it is the building that caused playgoers to enjoy the plays less, rather than the play itself being the cause.  

Or that logic isn't one of your strong suits. 

 

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[dramamama611]

Neil Simon/Brooks Atkinson - Are they cursed?#15

Posted: 10/21/15 at 6:13am

No, silly, the cursed buildings actually repel ticket buyers from making their purchase.  It's so cursed it even effects online sales.

If we're not having fun, then why are we doing it? These are DISCUSSION boards, not mutual admiration boards. Discussion only occurs when we are willing to hear what others are thinking, regardless of whether it is alignment to our own thoughts.

[WhizzerMarvin]

Neil Simon/Brooks Atkinson - Are they cursed?#16

Posted: 10/21/15 at 7:30am

I think the curse is that the bad theaters lure the bad shows to be booked there. 

 

The only theater that currently is cursed is the Mark Hellenger. Legs Diamond was the final finger ****on the spindle that has caused the theater to lie trapped in its present state.

 

The Martin Beck may at one time have been cursed, but the name change lifted the curse and has allowed for hits to come back to the theater.   

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[Inigomontoya]

Neil Simon/Brooks Atkinson - Are they cursed?#17

Posted: 10/21/15 at 9:14am

What about the Marquis?

 

[ChildofEarth]

Neil Simon/Brooks Atkinson - Are they cursed?#18

Posted: 10/21/15 at 9:26am

The Belasco doesn't have the best history either..but I don't think that means it is cursed. Statistics and fickle audiences? That is the curse.

[neonlightsxo]

Neil Simon/Brooks Atkinson - Are they cursed?#19

Posted: 10/21/15 at 10:06am

All the Way was a hit. It recouped. The only reason there have been so many flops in each theater is bad luck and dumb producers.

There's no such thing as a curse in this case. Not even the Lyric. Everyone who books the Lyric and expects to recoup is just delusional.

[Mr Roxy]

Neil Simon/Brooks Atkinson - Are they cursed?#20

Posted: 10/21/15 at 10:20am

All recouped as it was star driven and a limited engagement

 

The shows you allude to were not necessarily bad but just did not catch on.We saw many of them. You probably disagree and you are entitled to your opinion. It's location does not help .I still feel it is cursed and maybe after 3 or 4 more flops people may change their mind. Listing 1 show to bolster your argument is not necessarily a strong point.

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[dramamama611]

Neil Simon/Brooks Atkinson - Are they cursed?#21

Posted: 10/21/15 at 10:28am

Neither is blaming a physical entity for why a show fails.  You're right, not all shows that DO failed are bad shows, but if people don't want to see them, which building they are in doesn't sway that by any means.  No one decides to see a show based on which theater its in.

 

Have you really ever heard someone say, "Gee, let's go see whatever's playing at the Eugene O'Neill?"   Nope, they go to see the SHOW that happens to be playing at the Eugene O'Neill.

If we're not having fun, then why are we doing it? These are DISCUSSION boards, not mutual admiration boards. Discussion only occurs when we are willing to hear what others are thinking, regardless of whether it is alignment to our own thoughts.

[Comden Green]

Neil Simon/Brooks Atkinson - Are they cursed?#22

Posted: 10/21/15 at 10:32am

You guys are starting to scare me.  I,perhaps, can ignore a casual use of the word "cursed" but I'm inferring a more literal use and actual belief in a curse.   

This is not 1350.  Science has taught us that each event has a cause.  Come on guys.  Please tell me you don't believe in curses. 

Realize that this thread is absurd.  

[Mr Roxy]

Neil Simon/Brooks Atkinson - Are they cursed?#23

Posted: 10/21/15 at 10:34am

I cannot change the title as I did not start it.Having said that, I will use the term "Bad Luck Theaters" going forward if that helps.

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[little_sally]

Neil Simon/Brooks Atkinson - Are they cursed?#24

Posted: 10/21/15 at 10:49am

Most of the shows that have flopped at the Simon since Hairspray was there would've flopped anywhere.

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[newintown]

Neil Simon/Brooks Atkinson - Are they cursed?#25

Posted: 10/21/15 at 10:52am

"Yes, after coming offstage from Il Trovatore at the Metropolitan Opera, Azucena visits the theatre district and curses Broadway theatres.  She does so to avenge the Broadway career of Irra Petina.  "Sei vendicata, o madre!" she exclaims, as she crumples to a heap in front of the Copacabana."

 

This is very good.