#26
Posted: 12/26/14 at 11:13pm
I agree. Not everything Sondheim writes has to be inferred as existential or morbid.
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#27
Posted: 12/26/14 at 11:21pm
Punctuation - and grammar - bring clarity, at least for me. The Baker asks a question: "Can't we just pursue our lives/ With our children and our wives?" Then has asks a follow-up: "Til that happy day arrives (referring to the immediate antecedent of when we can just pursue our lives with our children and wives), "how do you ignore" all the bad stuff?
#28
Posted: 12/26/14 at 11:23pm
I can't speak for anyone else who saw the death reference, but for me, It was just the first thing that came to mind and has always made sense to me every time I watch the show. Like Showface said, it's up to interpretation and there are many thoughts behind it. The fact that the line was changed for the revival either means it has nothing to do with death and they wanted to make that clear or they have changed minds about the line. Either way, it's up to interpretation. Maybe Rosscoe(au) and Jrybka have more insight on it.
Updated On: 12/26/14 at 11:23 PM
#29
Posted: 12/26/14 at 11:38pm
The lyric is straight-forward.
The non-existent happy day when we can peacefully and tranquilly live without all the troubles of life and the drama of and from desire (e.g., giants, witches, curses, reverses, wolves, trials, lies, false hopes, goodbyes, reverses).
The non-existent happy day when we can peacefully and tranquilly live without all the troubles of life and the drama of and from desire (e.g., giants, witches, curses, reverses, wolves, trials, lies, false hopes, goodbyes, reverses).
#30
Posted: 12/26/14 at 11:59pm
Tazber is beloved on this board. You'll lose this battle, Troll.
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#31
Posted: 12/27/14 at 12:00am
And deservedly beloved, I might add.
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#32
But'chya arrrrrr a troll, Blanche. Ya ARRRRRRRRR!
Posted: 12/27/14 at 12:36am
But'chya arrrrrr a troll, Blanche. Ya ARRRRRRRRR!
#33
Posted: 12/27/14 at 1:55am
The happy day meaning Happily Ever After. The baker sort of realizes that there's no such thing, he just has to move on. You can't just be happy and ignore all of those bad thing you did to get there.
#34
Posted: 12/27/14 at 2:02am
I also always took it to mean death/passing on to some better place, but I have no idea if that's the intended meaning.
#35
Posted: 12/27/14 at 4:02am
Hats off to PalJoey, can't think of a better way to say it.
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#36
Posted: 12/27/14 at 4:21am
Since when is the day you die considered a happy day? That's a pretty crappy day if you ask me.
the lyric isn't hiding anything. The Baker is literally saying two sentences (although one is certainly a prolonged one), neither with any hidden message.
"Can't we just pursue our lives with our children and our wives?
Til that happy day arrives, how do we ignore all the witches, all the curses, all the wolves, all the lies, the false hopes, the goodbyes, the reverses, all the wondering what-even-worse is still in store?"
How do we ignore all those things?
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the lyric isn't hiding anything. The Baker is literally saying two sentences (although one is certainly a prolonged one), neither with any hidden message.
"Can't we just pursue our lives with our children and our wives?
Til that happy day arrives, how do we ignore all the witches, all the curses, all the wolves, all the lies, the false hopes, the goodbyes, the reverses, all the wondering what-even-worse is still in store?"
How do we ignore all those things?
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#37
Posted: 12/27/14 at 6:19am
This is like English class all over again. Peers correcting grammar and professors trying to make something more meaningful than it was intended.
Except I always thought he was talking about death too because his tone sounds so defeated.
Except I always thought he was talking about death too because his tone sounds so defeated.
#38
Posted: 12/27/14 at 8:35am
" It's seemed to me that TazTarney is certainly troll-like, although maybe just not so well-informed."
not well-informed about what? It's obvious I'm not the only one who thought he was talking about death. There isn't just one answer to this.
not well-informed about what? It's obvious I'm not the only one who thought he was talking about death. There isn't just one answer to this.
#39
Posted: 12/27/14 at 8:40am
It's clearly a reference to the happy day when the iPhone7 pre-loaded with all of Sondheim's recordings is released.
#40
Posted: 12/27/14 at 8:43am
I just got the iPhone 6 plus yesterday for a Christmas present. :)
#41
Posted: 12/27/14 at 9:25am
Surprised that so many seem sure he's talking about death. Into the Woods' isn't about wishing for death, it's about the fact that to live is inescapably to live with desire, that living with desire is painful ("Agony"), that no desire becomes real without consequences, and that in life desire is inescapable even when one's earlier desires are achieved.
What the Baker does think about, what he wishes for is the ability to run away from his desire-dependent and desire-consequent pain and suffering. The Witch has just been able to escape her worldly pain by distributing the beans and returning to her previous state of ugliness (resigned to exactly the state she had wanted to escape from; this time, however, unlike before, leaving "the World" to its to their own devices). The Baker, like his father before him, would like to escape his pain as well. To run away. Not to death. But to the illusion of living relief that all run aways run to.
Yes, everyone is concerned with death at this point in the show. People are dying all around them, and they could be next.
But the happy day the Baker is wishing for is not death. It is the day in which one can be content and not live in a state of deprivation and desire, i.e. a state of wishing for that which one doesn't have and that which one is convinced will relieve the pain and suffering of not having it.
Until that nirvana-like day arrives one can't ignore all the dreaded consequences (see list) that come from living in a state of desire. Which is what the entire show is about.
Which is why he wants to run away.
There is no such day. There is no such life. There is no such escape.
What the Baker does think about, what he wishes for is the ability to run away from his desire-dependent and desire-consequent pain and suffering. The Witch has just been able to escape her worldly pain by distributing the beans and returning to her previous state of ugliness (resigned to exactly the state she had wanted to escape from; this time, however, unlike before, leaving "the World" to its to their own devices). The Baker, like his father before him, would like to escape his pain as well. To run away. Not to death. But to the illusion of living relief that all run aways run to.
Yes, everyone is concerned with death at this point in the show. People are dying all around them, and they could be next.
But the happy day the Baker is wishing for is not death. It is the day in which one can be content and not live in a state of deprivation and desire, i.e. a state of wishing for that which one doesn't have and that which one is convinced will relieve the pain and suffering of not having it.
Until that nirvana-like day arrives one can't ignore all the dreaded consequences (see list) that come from living in a state of desire. Which is what the entire show is about.
Which is why he wants to run away.
There is no such day. There is no such life. There is no such escape.
Updated On: 12/27/14 at 09:25 AM
#42
Posted: 12/27/14 at 10:05am
I've been told it's a reference to AIDS.
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#43
Posted: 12/27/14 at 10:13am
I can't believe the (il)logic of some people as they over-interpret these lyrics.
Jesus, people, read the f*cking words and quit projecting bizarre personal agendas on them.
It's a very simple lyric with a very powerful sentiment. Don't get so tangled up in it.
Jesus, people, read the f*cking words and quit projecting bizarre personal agendas on them.
It's a very simple lyric with a very powerful sentiment. Don't get so tangled up in it.
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#45
Posted: 12/27/14 at 10:20am
Just following suit here with your initial dim-witted post. An appropriate response.
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#48
Posted: 12/27/14 at 2:46pm
He has posts like this on other threads too - claiming some interpretation of something not that complex and then saying "well, it's my opinion, so there."
Sometimes opinions can be wrong.
Sometimes opinions can be wrong.
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#49
Posted: 12/27/14 at 9:26pm
I think its open to interpretation...on first thought I thought it was referring to death, but it could be referring to living with your children and your wives...............UGH I could think about the possibilities of each lyric for everrrrrrr.
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#50
Posted: 12/27/14 at 10:13pm
What best12bars said.
To threadjack - speaking of misinterpretation of lines...
In the Witch's Rap, when she says, "Ah, well, that's another story. Never mind. Anyway...", I'd always thought she was meaning, "Whoops, I mistakenly started tell a completely different story. My mind escaped me me. I'm old and crazy, and I slipped into telling another story. Where was I?" You know, to go along with the "Snth-th-th, snth-th-th, snth-th-th" thing.
The film clearly has the witch meaning "Eh, that's too in-depth for right now. I don't feel like getting into that, so I'm skipping that part."
I'm guessing I'm the only one who misinterpreted this...?
To threadjack - speaking of misinterpretation of lines...
In the Witch's Rap, when she says, "Ah, well, that's another story. Never mind. Anyway...", I'd always thought she was meaning, "Whoops, I mistakenly started tell a completely different story. My mind escaped me me. I'm old and crazy, and I slipped into telling another story. Where was I?" You know, to go along with the "Snth-th-th, snth-th-th, snth-th-th" thing.
The film clearly has the witch meaning "Eh, that's too in-depth for right now. I don't feel like getting into that, so I'm skipping that part."
I'm guessing I'm the only one who misinterpreted this...?
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