Riedel/Raul--I guess I'll get over it — Page 2

I'm selfish too and don't want to lose him!

I also find that for especially TV work, they're not always looking for "pretty." The older leading men often are, as I described Raul, "quirky attractive." I think he could probably do quite well.

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"Unprofessional and sour grapes" - how about "I don't want my loss to diminish the good spiritis at the celebration of COMPANY's win?" If it was me, I would not want bunches of people feeling that they had to spend the party commiserating with me. His absence could just as well have been unselfish. He's an actor, not an elected official whose presence is mandatory. Give the guy a break, OK?

ETA: Em has it right - IF he in fact was absent.

Updated On: 6/16/07 at 09:30 PM

Hmm. I knew Sondheim still regretted not renegotiating royalties with Bernstein as Sondheim being the sole writer of the lyrics, but not about the Tony. Doesn't he have enough from the 70s and 80s?!

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Does anyone have a picture of Raul during that loss? I remember watching it on TV going, "Wow! Talk about lack of subtlety."

I second this...this was one of the moments of the awards that I heard but did not actually see and, since I've been steering clear of the angry Raul threads, I had no idea "the face" even happened. Picture or video please?

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The operative words are in the quote that you, as it happens, could not even copy and paste correctly. He says he's become a box office draw IN THE THEATER WORLD. If you don't think that's true, you clearly don't understand what he means, which is that people who know the theater scene know Raul's work. That's different than calling him a box office draw as a household name or something. Why is everything so hard for you? Or, rather, I suppose it's just another case of the way you continue to believe that things you don't LIKE are simply not true. Man, I wish I could invent my own reality. Life must be so blissful.

You are exhausting, and it is beyond me how basic reading comprehension could possibly be so difficult.

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Updated On: 6/16/07 at 11:29 PM

I understood it perfectly.
The term "box office draw" means selling tickets on his name alone and that is not a justified statement.

being a box office draw in the THEATRE WORLD is absolutelty a justified statement. It means that people who KNOW about theatre will go to see a show SOLELY for his presence. The statement that Esparza is a BO draw in the theatre community was made by someone who's a PART of the theatre community, and absolutely knows more about it than you.

I suppose you want receipts to prove the veracity of this statement. But fact is, people who know theatre, know Raul Esparza, and will absolutely go see him in practically any show.

I'm as big a Raul fan as anyone, but if he's such a "box office draw" why is his show closing in 7 months at a loss?

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"I'm as big a Raul fan as anyone, but if he's such a "box office draw" why is his show closing in 7 months at a loss?"

Because not even the biggest name or most talented person can save a less than mediocore production IMO.

Right, a less than mediocre production that got some of the biggest raves of the season.

IMO, the producers counted too much on Doyle, Raul, and the show being a draw and, as has been stated, put $0 into advertising.

I guess you're right weez. I don't have the money to keep the show afloat, but did my best to convince everyone I know that it was not to be missed.

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A bow office draw means the person brings people and revenue to the box office promoting good business. Company is closing beacause of poor ticket sales .Do the math. Furthermore,If you're the headliner of a show,Above the title,you have a responsibility to your cast and company to make an obligatory appearance at your Tony cast party. REGARDLESS of the situation,he should have shown, I hope this is rumor and not true. Don't mistake fan favorite with box office draw: BIG difference.

Poor ticket sales don't mean his name wasn't bringing people in. It means he wasn't ENOUGH to bring ENOUGH people in to keep the show open. Being that he has an established, loyal fanbase ALONE makes it impossible to deny that he is some sort of draw, not to mention the people who aren't necessarily "I see him in everything" fans, but who do know his name and saw Company because of him. I'm not mistaking it for the same thing; I know for a FACT that there are people who don't consider themselves necessarily fans of his that went to see this show because of him. There are people like that who have posted on this board. I'm sorry, but you're not only a draw if you cause the show to sell out -- you're just not a big enough one. He's not famous enough to have carried this show on his shoulders, but he did get people in. That shouldn't be so hard to understand, because "box office draw" is quantifiable, not rigidly defined.

Good lord, it's far too early for this. Sometimes I feel as though BWW needs a dictionary.

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Updated On: 6/17/07 at 10:30 AM