SPRING AWAKENING CD Signing Set for Jan. 10- Page 2

[Becoz_i_knew_you21]

Posted: 1/3/07 at 10:19pm

"Yes I know she's human but in a professional interview where her fans are listening she should not curse, "

There's a song in SA called totally F*CK*d. If I were her, I wouldn't feel the need to censor my cursing.

[roseinthewinter2]

Posted: 1/3/07 at 10:22pm

Okay Lizzy...

1. What? Why are you even posting that on this thread? That is severely off-topic, in addition to being rather irritating.

2. And furthermore, it makes no sense why you would post that on this thread, or on any other Spring Awakening-appreciating threat, unless you were just looking for a fight. So don't be so surprised you got one. It seems like you just felt like being bitter and cynical, and that's fine if that's your style, but why are you bothering everyone else with that?

You'll notice I have not even begun to comment on the actual statement itself... that's not the point. The point is you're just looking annoy people by bashing exactly what they are praising, which is highly annoying.

3. However, now that we mention your actual statement... I will now dissect that ridiculous paragraph (I like outline formats).

a) "I was listening to a podcast...and she was absolutely terrible." Do you listen to popular music (not showtunes)? Have you ever seen one of those artists in concert? Of course she's not going to be as perfect as the recording; that is doctored beyond belief. Live performances are not perfect; that is the beauty of live theatre. If not for that spontaneity, it would have died out with the rise of movies. Give her a break. Can you sing like that? I'll be the first to say that I can't.

b) "She insulted films that have been brought to Broadway, Disney Broadway musicals, the upcoming Shrek, and jukebox musicals." Is this the first time you've heard anyone insult these groups? It happens ever 3.7 seconds here on the boards. What makes you think a Broadway star wouldn't have the same views as any other theatregoer/critic? I am not a fan of Disney or jukebox musicals either - although that's not the point. I also don't think someone should make a generalization about ALL movie-to-musicals - but that's also not the point. She's allowed her opinion.

c) "And she dropped an F-bomb." She's a big girl. If you are offended by the "F-bomb" I can't imagine what you think about the whole musical. It is not for the faint of heart.

4. I have just one last question: Have you even SEEN the show? I am a big fan of you-can't-make-judgment-calls-about-a-show-you-haven't-seen.

Love,
Me

[Becoz_i_knew_you21]

Posted: 1/3/07 at 10:24pm

"but just because this show is trying to be all controversial and alternative you automatically think it's cool."

This show is not trying to be edgy. It was a play written by Frank Wedekind in the late 1800's.

Lizzy, all you like are Disney shows that's why a lot of people are being rude to you. If you had a wide variety in theater I wouldn't mind if you didn't like SA. It's different when you start disliking an actor for cursing or not liking your type of shows your into. SA is not porno, it nudity that is tastefully done. Nobody is having raunchy, disgusting sex. Your reasons of disliking Lea are invalid and just don't make sense. Its hard for me to believe you're my age.

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[roseinthewinter2]

Posted: 1/3/07 at 10:26pm

I beg to differ: SA was not intended for the teenybopper crowd.

Let me just say this: "art" is in the eye of the beholder. Tasteful nudity can be artful. You are in no position to tell anyone what is "art". Obviously the creators did it for artistic effect. That's all that counts.

You are also in no position to say why people think it is "cool." Often among your age group, people think things are "automatically cool" because they are risque, or because the people want to fit in... as you get older, you actually start appreciating things for their own merit. Go figure.

[snl89]

Posted: 1/3/07 at 10:27pm

Lizzy, like I said, its totally fine if you dont like SA or Lea, its just that its sooo wrong to come and say the you hope the whole show suffers just because she admited there are some shows she doesn't like and she cursed one time! Seriously, like I said, other broadway people curse too. In audio interviews and stuff like that, and depending on what type of audience its geared towards, I dont see anything wrong with it the way I see it, its a podcast. No little kid who doesn't know what Spring Awakening's about is going to be listening to it! Now if she was on a daytime talkshow or something more formal like that, I would see a bit of a problem with it. But its just a podcast! (which I'm actually very interested to hear hehe)

[roseinthewinter2]

Posted: 1/3/07 at 10:27pm

Yes yes.

I like you.

[Becoz_i_knew_you21]

Posted: 1/3/07 at 10:38pm

"You are also in no position to say why people think it is "cool." Often among your age group, people think things are "automatically cool" because they are risque, or because the people want to fit in... as you get older, you actually start appreciating things for their own merit. Go figure."

I didn't say why people thought it was "cool." I was just saying that people think it's trying to be edgy with its storyline when it's not because its a play written by Frank Wedekind. I do not get into other things because others think they are cool.I'm not the type to get into anything to fit in or just because others are into it. I didn't start liking this show because others did. I appreciate this show for what it is.
Updated On: 1/3/07 at 10:38 PM

[CurtainPullDowner]

Posted: 1/3/07 at 10:39pm

Well the Spanking scene and the circle JO are a little porno like.
But hey it's 1890, so that makes it art.

I'd like to see a spanking scene in BEAUTY AND THE BEAST.

[theaterdude87]

Posted: 1/3/07 at 10:40pm

OT but yes Becoz_i_knew_you21 that was the episode. haha.

[Becoz_i_knew_you21]

Posted: 1/3/07 at 10:41pm

"OT but yes Becoz_i_knew_you21 that was the episode. haha."

When I saw that for the first time I started cracking up.

[Lizzya9]

Posted: 1/3/07 at 10:42pm

Disney shows are not all I like. I LOVE A Chorus Line, Chicago, Drowsy, Wicked, Millie, and many many more. When I said she was terrible on the podcast I was not talking about her singing, she did not even sing on it. I was talking about her as a human being being terrible. I loved SA at first, no I am not faint of heart and the song "Totally F*cked" did not offend me. I am just saying when being interviewed professionally she should not have said that. It is a major sign of immaturity and insecurity, not being "a big girl". And don't question me on that either because my mother has a degree in psychology. All Lea Michele is is a poor result of an attention-hungry stage mother. Les Mis at age 9. A kid that age doesn't pursue musical theatre out of love for it. And I know she's allowed her opinion but she should not insult her fellow theatrical performers' work. If her mom had not shoved her into showbiz at a young age and she later decided she wanted to pursue it and had to struggle like a normal person, I guarantee she would have taken part in those shows. It is all theatre, no matter what it is based on, and it is all beautiful, not matter how soon it closes. I did not post that to start a fight, I was stating my opinion, that's all. And I understand why you like it, I liked it too, I was just explaining why I no longer liked it. No I have not seen the show, but I have the cast recording and have read every article about it.

If you have iTunes and want to listen to this podcast I am discussing, it is in the podcast series "Next Big Hit Broadway Bullet", episode 19.

I understand that you don't agree with me, I was never asking you to or putting down your opinions of the show. I was just saying why I no longer liked it.

[Becoz_i_knew_you21]

Posted: 1/3/07 at 10:45pm

You can't make such passive judgments of a person you don't even know. She stated in a Playbill interview that her parents didn't push her into anything. If she was a "poor result" of a pushy stage mother she wouldn't be doing her fourth Broadway show.
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[theaterdude87]

Posted: 1/3/07 at 10:46pm

I don't even know how to respond to that. I remember when I was younger and listeing to the Broadway Kids and wanting to be them. To say that she was forced into it is bulls**t. I think that many children are born with the way they want to achieve goals. I do not think after meeting Lea that she would noty be in this business if she did not love it. It is very wrong to make assumptions you have no clue on.

[snl89]

Posted: 1/3/07 at 10:47pm

I still beg to differ on the whole cursing thing- simply because I feel like its not that big a deal to curse in an interview like THAT. Podcasts tend to be pretty informal. Again, maybe its because I'm used to Idina, who has slightly cursed in interviews similar to that Again, no one who cant handle the f bomb would be listening to a Spring Awakening podcast anyway!

and again I mention, theres a huge difference between not liking a performer as a PERSON and not liking a show! just because you dont like her as a person doesn't mean you have to not like the show! Since you said you DID like it at first, I feel bad for YOU if you feel like you cant like it anymore just because of one interview lea did. You're depriving yourself of a REALLY good show :)

oh and yeah, its funny you say she was pushed into it because in a recent online interview (I want to say it was broadway.com fresh face), she was saying how much she LOVES the business and wants to be in it forever. That doesn't sound like someone who doesn't appreciate theater to me.

Updated On: 1/3/07 at 10:47 PM

[roseinthewinter2]

Posted: 1/3/07 at 11:00pm

oh no no no becoz... that was directed at Lizzy, not you.

you are absolutely right.

[Lizzya9]

Posted: 1/3/07 at 11:05pm

snl89 I totally feel what you just described. Hopefully I can work on it ; ) because I know it has good intentions. I want you guys to listen to this podcast and tell me what you think!

= )

[roseinthewinter2]

Posted: 1/3/07 at 11:07pm

1. Saying "Not all I like is Disney musicals... I also like Wicked" did not help your credibility much. Just commenting.

2. Your mother may have a degree in psychology, but you do not. Again, I don't think people (anyone) should talk about things they do not know. Especially backing it up with "well my mom is a psychologist." My parents are both lawyers, and let me tell you, you would not want me representing you in court.

3. She didn't struggle? Sure she did. Maybe not to the same degree as some. She was unknown prior to SA.

Also do you know what it means that she was in a Broadway show at 9? It means she was a little girl with a lot of talent.

4. I just cannot BELIEVE you are making all these statements without having SEEN the show. Not to toot my own horn, but I am very good at picking up storylines and such from the cast album, articles, podcasts, etc. But with SA, it can't be done. The story is not in the CD at all, and anyway, this show is not about the story. You CANNOT make value judgments if you DON'T KNOW what you're talking about.

Updated On: 1/3/07 at 11:07 PM

[roseinthewinter2]

Posted: 1/3/07 at 11:07pm

1. Saying "Not all I like is Disney musicals... I also like Wicked" did not help your credibility much. Just commenting.

2. Your mother may have a degree in psychology, but you do not. Again, I don't think people (anyone) should talk about things they do not know. Especially backing it up with "well my mom is a psychologist." My parents are both lawyers, and let me tell you, you would not want me representing you in court.

3. She didn't struggle? Sure she did. Maybe not to the same degree as some. She was unknown prior to SA.

Also do you know what it means that she was in a Broadway show at 9? It means she was a little girl with a lot of talent.

4. I just cannot BELIEVE you are making all these statements without having SEEN the show. Not to toot my own horn, but I am very good at picking up storylines and such from the cast album, articles, podcasts, etc. But with SA, it can't be done. The story is not in the CD at all, and anyway, this show is not about the story. You CANNOT make value judgments if you DON'T KNOW what you're talking about.

Updated On: 1/3/07 at 11:07 PM

[roseinthewinter2]

Posted: 1/3/07 at 11:11pm

You're making a value judgment of her as a terrible person? And from a podcast, no less?

That sounds rather ridiculous, don't you think?

[PARISinNYC]

Posted: 1/3/07 at 11:14pm

Lizzya.....ugh, nevermind.

Just....UGH.

[snl89]

Posted: 1/3/07 at 11:20pm

hahaha, I just realized that I totally have that podcast on my ipod already and didn't even realize lea was on it- I got it for daphne

*goes to listen*

[theaterdude87]

Posted: 1/3/07 at 11:22pm

to quote a line from the podcast.."You have to see it altogether and then it makes more sense."

-A. There was nothing wrong she said in the interview.
-B. I clearly see her point on her stand with disney and movie musicals. She is defending her own show. I agree 100% people go see disney for the "name" and it is soo hard to sell a show that people have heard is more risque.

p.s. when she cursed i thought she was adorbale and how she said "my mom's gonna kill me."

Updated On: 1/3/07 at 11:22 PM

[Becoz_i_knew_you21]

Posted: 1/3/07 at 11:22pm

roseinthewinter2, sorry I thought you were talking to me. whoops.I have so much to say in this posted but I already posted like 10 posts this thread and I feel like a loser. roseinthewinter you are making some real nice points here.

Edited because I had to rant
"I was talking about her as a human being me on that either because my mother has a degree in psychology."

And your point is?

"No I have not seen the show, but I have the cast recording and have read every article about it. "

If you have read every article on the show you would have read Lea's playbill.com interview. She talks a lot about her childhood and getting into theater and how it was her idea to do it, not her mothers.

Edited because I had to rant.
Updated On: 1/3/07 at 11:22 PM

[Lizzya9]

Posted: 1/3/07 at 11:28pm

why do you have to be mean becoz? I just stated my opinion. You have yours, I have mine. Don't insult anybody's, I never insulted yours.

[theaterdude87]

Posted: 1/3/07 at 11:33pm

It is not just an opinion you are making up things that are not true. You made claims that "All Lea Michele is is a poor result of an attention-hungry stage mother. Les Mis at age 9. A kid that age doesn't pursue musical theatre out of love for it." This is so redic. IGHH!!!_+E dkvhjcdoisjh!