SPRING AWAKENING CD Signing Set for Jan. 10- Page 3

[Becoz_i_knew_you21]

Posted: 1/3/07 at 11:34pm

"why do you have to be mean becoz? I just stated my opinion. You have yours, I have mine. Don't insult anybody's, I never insulted yours."

I am saying this because your reasons for not liking somebody are ignorant and invalid. If you don't like Lea as a performer that's fine. If you don't like Spring Awakening that's fine.It's when you start to disregard someone as a person just because of what they said on a podcast. The you start making passive judgments about somebody you don't even know.

Updated On: 1/3/07 at 11:34 PM

[snl89]

Posted: 1/3/07 at 11:45pm

ok, so listening to the podcast, I just have to say that I did not think she was bashing anything AT ALL. In fact, she was specifically saying that she DOES enjoy jukebox musicals and that she DOESNT mind disney musicals coming to broadway! She was just trying to make the point that, among those shows, there's also room for a show like Spring Awakening and imo thats a totally valid and totally true point. I actually felt she was VERY nice in talking about the other shows. I mean, she said it, she's seen Hairspray 3 times and enjoyed it!

and as far as the cursing goes, well what could she really do? haha, sometimes things like that just slip out- she said exuse me :) So maybe she swears a lot in private and accidentaly slipped, but I mean what 20 year old doesn't? haha

Updated On: 1/3/07 at 11:45 PM

[PARISinNYC]

Posted: 1/4/07 at 12:18am

HONESTLY, LIZZYA! Listen to the people with patience to deal with you.

This is my post-UGHHH comment.

[Wanna Be A Foster]

Posted: 1/4/07 at 12:42am

And don't question me on that either because my mother has a degree in psychology.

Honey, sorry for the wake up call, but your mom isn't the only one in the world with a B.A. in Psychology. It's her and half of the world, most of whom don't go on to practice clinical psychology.

But that's beside the point. "Just commenting."

[Lizzya9]

Posted: 1/4/07 at 3:10am

"The scenes that involve nudity are art"

I agree that nudity is an art form, like in sculptures or paintings and stuff like that. Not really in movies, and sometimes in theatre, if done respectfully. But do I consider spanking an art form? No way. Even though I have not seen the show, no one, I don't care how theatrically talented they are, can EVER make spanking and all that other crap a beautiful thing. Could you imagine reading the following review:

"The score was fantastic, but by far the most gorgeous portion of Spring Awakening was the spanking & circle JO scenes. They were so moving, there was not a dry eye in the house."
hahahaha ; ) I myself am a teenager, and I am not going through any of these issues they talk about in SA. Abortion, suicide, masturbation, masochism??!! No way! There are 2 pregnant girls in my entire school of 2,800 students. These issues are only real for less than 1% of the population. In the interview Lea Michele said that these issues were real. Well, no, they are not. And it's not like someone that was on Boradway at age 9 knows what a normal kid goes through, anyway. So she should not be talking about that kind of stuff.

Think again, theaterdude.

[PARISinNYC]

Posted: 1/4/07 at 3:16am

Oh my god, think again yourself!

Just because it doesn't happen to you doesn't mean that it doesn't happen to other people! I can name somebody going through each of those problems at my school alone right off the bat.

Nobody said spanking was an art form, but you don't even know how the scene plays out in context! AGAIN, this is based on SOURCE MATERIAL. It was based on the play that was written 100 years ago.

EDIT//

What does her being 9 years old on Broadway have to do with anything? Why do you keep bringing that up like it proves your point or something?
Updated On: 1/4/07 at 03:16 AM

[Lizzya9]

Posted: 1/4/07 at 3:20am

well there's no way I'm ever paying to see this show but I will judge that scene for myself when it comes on YouTube.

[PARISinNYC]

Posted: 1/4/07 at 3:21am

You are so stubborn. I can't even believe it.


Oh, and btw, I really doubt YOU'LL be paying for the show anyways. You're 14. Your PARENTS would probably be paying. Updated On: 1/4/07 at 03:21 AM

[Wanna Be A Foster]

Posted: 1/4/07 at 5:23am

Lizzya9, do us a favor. Never have kids.

[snl89]

Posted: 1/4/07 at 7:35am

honestly, the sex scene is NOT that bad. Yes, they're having fake sex, and they're very CLEARLY having fake sex, but its not raunchy or anything. And the only thing they actually show is lea's butt and boob. Thats it. I'm not saying its not racy, but its just, for a blatant outright sex scene I felt they handled it really well

[roseinthewinter2]

Posted: 1/4/07 at 9:07am

"Just because it doesn't happen to you doesn't mean that it doesn't happen to other people! I can name somebody going through each of those problems at my school alone right off the bat.

Nobody said spanking was an art form, but you don't even know how the scene plays out in context! AGAIN, this is based on SOURCE MATERIAL. It was based on the play that was written 100 years ago."

THANK YOU PARIS!! Glad to see someone else is writing exactly what I'm thinking (and is just as irritated in the process)!!

Lizzy, you're absolutely ridiculous.

Really, you should quit while you're... well... not ahead.

[Pun Bandhu]

Posted: 1/4/07 at 9:42am

Lizzy, SNL89 has already told you that you misinterpreted what Lea was saying about Disney. You know, I just saw the interview with Michael Mayer and Steven Sater on Theater Talk which aired last month (link below), and in it Steven was saying that the repressed children which Wedekind was writing about were the ones who grew up to be the parents at the time of the Nazis. That was absolutely chilling, but it does go to show you, Lizzy, how harmful it can be to pretend that "real issues" do not exist. I loved Disney shows as a kid too. There's nothing wrong with that. A Disney show, however, would never suggest that one should disobey authority. So much of our corporate society is about lulling you to sleep, to keep buying, to maintain the status quo. It's our job to wake up. You're a smart kid, Lizzy, don't waste that talent, okay?


Theatre Talk Updated On: 1/4/07 at 09:42 AM

[CurtainPullDowner]

Posted: 1/4/07 at 9:52am

I wanna SPANK all of you.

[roseinthewinter2]

Posted: 1/4/07 at 10:50am

I can't believe you are denying the existence of issues such as abortion, sex, pregnancy, masochism, etc. Denial is dangerous.

Also, it sounds like you keep mentioning her "being on Broadway at age 9" because you're jealous. Fine. Aren't we all. Deal with that on your own time.

[Becoz_i_knew_you21]

Posted: 1/4/07 at 11:42am

The musical is based on a ply from the 1800's! Get it through your head. Sex,Abortion,Suicide anD all issues still very much alive today. You in denial. You are also jealous Lea was on Broadway when she was 9 while you're, are still watching Beauty and the Beast. Your so wrong it makes me sad.

Updated On: 1/4/07 at 11:42 AM

[Lizzya9]

Posted: 1/4/07 at 12:41pm

I'm not in denial, I'm just saying that in my high school, which is public with 2800 kids, there are only 2 pregnant girls in the entire school. Sure the issues are real, but only for a select few. (less than 1%)

I'm not jealous of her, I just think that it's sad when kids are in showbiz so early because they usually turn out seriously messed up. I was saying that it's not like she went through any of these issues because she had a show to do every night and didn't have to go to school every day like normal people.

I really do like the show. I adore the music and yes some of the issues really hit home. It's just hard for me to pay $110 for a show that I don't really know what the plotline is and not be too fond of the star.

I know that she was not directly bashing those shows, but the way she was saying it indicated that she thought her show was better than those. I mean obviously she has to advertise her show, but she shouldn't insult her fellow performers.

My only goal in life is to be on Broadway, so on the way to that I don't plan on trying to defy authority. I'm trying to focus on my voice lessons for now since I cannot sing at all. = )

[Lizzya9]

Posted: 1/4/07 at 12:42pm

PS:

The things I've said are no worse or different than that whole thread about how much everyone hates Shoshana, or the thread about sabotaging the Grease revival.

[Becoz_i_knew_you21]

Posted: 1/4/07 at 12:48pm

"I'm not in denial, I'm just saying that in my high school, which is public with 2800 kids, there are only 2 pregnant girls in the entire school. Sure the issues are real, but only for a select few. (less than 1%)"

Sure but you haven't seen other schools. Maybe you don't know people who go through this stuff but there's plenty of people who do.

You should have read this before you made any judgments of her being a result of a pushy stage mother.


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[roseinthewinter2]

Posted: 1/4/07 at 1:10pm

1. Your public high school is not the only public high school in the world. Your public high school is also not set in 1800s Germany. The existence or nonexistence of these issues in your own little world really doesn't matter at all.

2. So Lea didn't go through any of these issues... that's why it's called ACTING. Neither have most people. Doesn't mean they don't exist, nor does it mean that it cannot be played convincingly.

3. Your jealousy is ridiculous. If your goal is to be on Broadway, and you're planning on being a nice little girl and playing by all the rules all the time... you're not going to get anywhere in such a cutthroat business.

4. Of course you don't know the plot line -- it's not in the cd, it's not in any clips you see... you have to actually SEE THE SHOW, which you have not... then you will know the plot and have the authority to make judgment calls. Do you really only see shows you know the complete plot along with every lyric? (I suppose that happens when what you see are Disney movies put onstage... I know the plots of those too, as do many five-year-olds.) If so, you are seriously closing yourself off to most kinds of real original conceptual revolutionary theatre, and that's a DIRE shame. Then again, maybe people with "views" such as your own shouldn't see those shows anyway. They might not appreciate them.

[Lizzya9]

Posted: 1/4/07 at 1:24pm

I know it's a cutthroat business. When I said "defy authority" I meant like breaking the law. I don't need a criminal record attached to my resume. What part of this business you have to break rules for, anyway? Shouldn't you always do what the casting director wants? If you defy THAT authority then you won't get a part.

[Becoz_i_knew_you21]

Posted: 1/4/07 at 1:45pm

"It's just hard for me to pay $110 for a show that I don't really know what the plotline is and not be too fond of the star."


Read the play if you can't see the show. Spring Awakenings songs are the character's inner monologues. They don't give much insight into the plot.

"My only goal in life is to be on Broadway, so on the way to that I don't plan on trying to defy authority."


Nobody's saying have to have a criminal record. Before you plan on seeing and listening to things besides Disney Shows. You can't do Disney all the time(Ashley Brown is going to have to find something more original after MP).


Roseinthewinter, I like all the points you have made in this thread. Updated On: 1/4/07 at 01:45 PM

[CurtainPullDowner]

Posted: 1/4/07 at 1:50pm

You can get a TKT for $50 at TKT.

[gustof777]

Posted: 1/4/07 at 2:13pm

oh god lizzy you really don't know when to stop do you?? First of all if you don't like Lea or the show all that much why post at all on this thread and above that post such an immature statement hoping Ashley Brown wins to prove a point? Oh that's right to be a pain in everyones A**!! (oh yes I just CURSED!!) anyways as stated before Lea was by NO means bashing the Disney shows and pointed out that they are necessary for the "theater wheel" to keep turning but she did say that there is room for a show like Spring Awakening. Now I don't know about you but I took it as her meaning a show that is a bit more complicated and complex that strives to be artistically challenging rather than just a fun family friendly evening at the theater which is what Disney PRIDES itself on producing and again she wasn't saying there was anything wrong with that but if you want the art of theater, particularly musical theater to evolve than you need to have both. Maybe people going to see Mary Poppins or Wicked will be inspired to go out on a limb and try something a little different like Spring Awakening. So by no means was she bashing those shows and as far as you thinking less of her for saying f*ck on a podcast....are kidding me? She's a big kid and can use big kid words. Anyways have you heard the Daphne Rubin Vega interview earlier on that podcasts episode? I'd hardly be worried about what Lea said and plus the interview was a very casual conversation and to me that is a much more fascinating listen and you get a much clearer sense of the artist rather than a formal put together statements that we've heard a million times. As far as your argument with the nudity...honey you haven't even seen the damn show so why are you even talking about this? You have no idea what the experience of seeing the show is so don't comment on what you haven't seen or feel free to comment but don't expect anyone to take you seriously. I was shocked to read your horrendous attack on Lea and her being a product of a crazed stage mother...if you listened to the interview you can hear how passionate she is about the theater and how much she loves what she's doing. I was suprised and really touched by how passionate she was during the interview and it gave me a much deeper respect for her. Also she said f*ck during a very passionate speech so it's like she just said it for the hell of it and to be provocative and she EXCUSED herself and was slightly embarassed! As far as the Mother thing...you don't know her family or her situation at all so why don't we keep comments like that to ourselves eh? Than to your argument about the issues not being real...at your high school do you really think that there are only two girls who have had sex or had a pregnancy scare or have even had an abortion?? You have no idea what goes on in a lot of other teens lives and there is so much that we keep bottled up that when you go and see this play and these issues are in your face it's a bit extreme but the delicate way it's handled is really inspiring. I don't mean to attack you and am not asking you to answer at all but have you ever had feelings and felt like you couldn't express them to family or friends? We all went through puberty this show deals with those issues beautifully and all I think can find soemthing to relate to. Do you not have kids at your school struggling to figure out who they are and do poorly in school like Moritz do you have kids who are abused at home? Do you have kids who are ostracized because people think that they are "sluts"? Think about that and then come back and tell me that less than 1% can relate to Spring Awakening. If you didn't relate to something in Spring Awakening you wouldn't be uncomfortable with what it brings up. Now i don't mean to dead on attack you but really....lets think before we post ok?

[Becoz_i_knew_you21]

Posted: 1/4/07 at 2:17pm

*Stands up and applauds gustof777 *
Updated On: 1/4/07 at 02:17 PM

[CurtainPullDowner]

Posted: 1/4/07 at 2:23pm

ah anything gets a standing O these days.