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#26

re: Saw Dracula

Yes, Matt. They're singing. I don't get into musicals on that level. I'm not singing a song as I type on the computer here. It's all phony. I want either song and dance or real acting.
#27

re: Saw Dracula

Um...do you get to the theatre much? You don't think they are doing real acting in musicals? I like both but I go more out of interest for the show than whether it is a musical or straight play.
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Updated On: 9/2/04 at 03:40 PM

#28

re: Saw Dracula

So I'm guessing you avoid opera at all costs, then? And that has long been regarded as an art form for intellectuals.

And don't get me started on musicals requiring intellectual thought. Hmm... Les Mis, Woman In White, the HUGE amount of subtext in Dracula, the implications of Jekyll & Hyde... Apply a little more thought to the shows and you may see that if you want to you can find much in any of those 4 which requires intellectual thought.

Some shows are fluff. Others, however, go a lot deeper than that. And just because there is singing doesn't make them less intellectual. Sometimes music says things words alone can't. Just think of how much music alters emotions.
#29

re: Saw Dracula

Plays and movies are not real either. And just because they're not singing, doesn't mean the acting is any more real. The use of singing as a form of emotional expression has been around much longer than musical theatre. If songs were simply sung in theatre without acting, like a pop concert, then I could understand, but there is quite a bit of "real acting" that is every bit as genuine as in a straight play. It is what makes songs like Everything's Comin' Up Roses or Cabaret work so well within the context of their shows rather than happily sung in concert where they have completely lost their meaning. It is the ACTING.
"What can you expect from a bunch of seitan worshippers?" - Reginald Tresilian
#30

re: Saw Dracula

Matt, honey, i'm afraid you are wasting your breath...i can't believe someone who paid money to see a musical and then post a message on a broadway message board would say that he didn't care about acting OR a story...i would expect it from someone who didn't like theatre or broadway, but not from one of our own...i think i have something in my eye...please excuse me
#31

re: Saw Dracula

I think what he's trying to say is that when he picks a show to go see he's just looking to be entertained. He's not looking for heavy drama... that's all. Nothing wrong with that....
#32

re: Saw Dracula

well, CATS, that ain't what he said....i think it's what he meant, but it ain't what he said; or in this case, typed.
#33

re: Saw Dracula

I am convinced (and I am not saying that is the case here), that there are people that are going to push this show just to try and defy the critics. I always respect the opinions of others, but to say that "Dracula" is awesome... I just dont have a reply for that.
#34

re: Saw Dracula

I am NOT one of you guys. I'm different from most of you. Yes CATS is right. No, I don't go to the opera. I'm not dumb though. I just have no patience the Sondheim and Caroline type talking music. It's just too weird and doesn't sound good to me and I cant take it. I go to Golda's Balcony and After the Fall when I want somehting where you think on that level. I just cant do that weird music. I seem to only enjoy normal sounding music like you would hear on the radio or in a concert. I think this is totally legitimate.
#35

re: Saw Dracula

I wasn't implying that you were dumb - I was pointing out that "unrealistic" art forms such as opera have traditionally been considered the intellectual art forms rather than their lack or realism turning them into fluffy entertainment.

And if you noticed, none of the examples I gave were "weird" music (ok, maybe DRACULA) - they were by Lloyd-Webber, Boubil & Schonberg (I'd include the original MARTIN GUERRE in their list as well), and Wildhorn - not a Sondheim among them and all composers who appeal to 'mainstream' theatregoers, not just those of us who like Sondheim.

Sondheim isn't the only composer to write intellectually-stimulating shows. You just have to look past the spectacle.


(And I fully agree you are entitled to your opinion. I just don't believe in generalising)
#36

re: Saw Dracula

I was more replying to lildog's post.
#37

re: Saw Dracula

I'm confused. How are Sondheim and Caroline similar? I can understand not enjoying Caroline because most of it is not really melodic, but which Sondheim shows are the "talking music"? The majority of Sondheim scores are quite melodic, memorable and include many standards that are frequently sung outside the context of the shows.

Most of Into the Woods, Anyone Can Whistle, Follies, Forum, Company and A Little Night Music are pretty standard melodic showtunes. Passion and Sweeney are really his only shows that feature much recitative (sung dialogue). Assassins, Bounce, Sunday and Pacific Overtures are probably his most unusual scores, but they still have some stand-alone songs. I'm not familiar with the new Frogs score, but I do feel the old score was not memorable.
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