Should Actors Be Smoking At The Stagedoor ? — Page 4

So Trumpishly touchy, Gaveston. Don't get all reactionary and make others do your reading - the detrimental effects of second-hand smoke (indoors or out, although I can't imagine why anyone thinks there's a distinction) are not debatable. The science is out there, easy to find, and established. Don't be a denier of science - you can't win with that attitude, except with Kellyanne Conway's crowd, perhaps.

And maybe dial it back a bit on the pointless bitchery, if possible.

But the deal is us addicts are not permitted to smoke anywhere public now. When we come out of what may be a 4 hour or more smoke free facility, after a performance, in the open air.... Leave us alone.

I agree South Florida - smoke where it's legal to smoke. That's your right.

Just don't make unfounded assertions that you're not harming anyone. My only objection is to those who try to deny that it's harmful to the smoker and those near the smoker.

The link between passive smoking and health risks is accepted by every major medical and scientific organization, including:
World Health Organization
U.S. National Institutes of Health
Centers for Disease Control
United States Surgeon General
U.S. National Cancer Institute
United States Environmental Protection Agency
California Environmental Protection Agency
American Heart Association, American Lung Association, and American Cancer Society
American Medical Association
American Academy of Pediatrics
Australian National Health and Medical Research Council
United Kingdom Scientific Committee on Tobacco and Health

And so on, etc.

GavestonPS said: "Otherwise I'd like a law forbidding people to eat garlic or onions outside the confines of their own home."



The difference is garlic and onions don't have secondhand side effects (also, I happen to like the smell, but the smell isn't the issue here). And farting is kind of gross/amusing, but not toxic.

I think a lot of you are missing the point, 1) She put the cigarettte aside, and 2), she didn't litter. I love this actress.

Michael Kras said: "
Second hand smoke has been proven to be not just as bad, but worse, than first hand smoke. Studies have shown that airborne contact with second hand smoke instantly thickens the blood and makes you more vulnerable to heart attack and stroke. And that's barely the tip of the iceberg.

That doesn't sound like "small stuff" to me.



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Thanks to newintown's links, I think you're confusing, or just not stating clearly, the issue. It isn't that second-hand smoke is WORSE on the whole than first-hand smoke; it's that the worst carcinogens come from the lit end of the cigarette and not the end where the smoker inhales. But the smoker gets the carcinogens from BOTH ends of the cigarette, so his risk is still greater. (It's not as if only others breathe the smoke from the lit end. Smokers do, too.)

newintown said: ""You called me a "fool" and a Holocaust denier, newintown, so don't be surprised if I bristle."

Gaveston, don't engage in pointless logical fallacies with me, and please don't twist my words. I did no such thing.

"I doubt that science is your forte."

If, after reading all the substantiation I provided for you, you still think that secondhand smoke is harmless outdoors, than science clearly isn't your forte, although I'm sure that you're inestimably smarter than all the scientists at the CDC, WHO, and every cancer organization put together.



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My bad. You EQUATED me with Holocaust deniers and fools, which, in my book, is not better than calling me those things.

As for your links, which I know you didn't have time to read, only one (the second) shows actual surveys, controls and results (in not all but some cases). The others are mere summaries of a claimed consensus--and not at all unbiased. This isn't to say their claims are wrong, just that they provide no more proof than you did. (They do contain citations to surveys, but without links, I have no way of evaluating the citations.)

More important: NOT A SINGLE STUDY in any of the four links deals with smoking OUTDOORS. All the references to second-hand smoke (documented or undocumented) deal with those who live with smokers or work inside with smokers. In short, your citations are not relevant to this discussion. (Yes, the first one says "Don't smoke in parks", but it cites nothing to prove such smoking is harmful to others.)

(FTR, I haven't smoked at all in 8 years; I haven't smoked indoors in 30 years. I don't disagree that the latter is bad for everybody.)

As for your claim that you don't see any difference between smoking indoors and out, remember first year chemistry: gasses expand to fill the volume of the space in which they reside. Now compare the volume of a room with the volume of the entire atmosphere and you will see the difference.

By the way, I don't see a good reason to **** on people who stage door as long as they aren't autograph hounds looking to sell things. It tends to be young people who genuinely admire the performers. As long as they're polite and not entitled, I don't see the harm in letting them have their fun. Actors who don't want to engage can easily choose to not sign.

This thread is like a Lifetime movie.

It's horrible but you keep watching just to see how worse it can get.

I don't think you're quite entirely reading for content, n2nbaby. No one is criticizing the actor for secondhand smoke. That discussion was a digression.

10086sunset said: "This thread is like a Lifetime movie.

It's horrible but you keep watching just to see how worse it can get."

More like watching the political process these days - both Dems and Reps. It's hilarious and unbelievable.

newintown said: "the detrimental effects of second-hand smoke (indoors or out, although I can't imagine why anyone thinks there's a distinction) are not debatable."

You're right, but the severity of the effects is debatable (see the link in my previous post). Some exaggerated claims have been made on this thread.

newintown said: "My question is - why even try to defend it?"

Well, you have a good point, and those two posts are about as much effort as I will put into it. :) For the record, I agree with everyone who says that the actor in question wasn't doing anything wrong, based on the OP's description of the situation. I also hate smoking and find it to be rather unattractive.