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#51

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Posted: 8/24/04 at 6:45am

Cut LONELY ROOM from OKLAHOMA??? Are you insane!!!!! That would destroy Jud entirely!!!

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#52

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Posted: 8/24/04 at 9:13am

I don't love the song Little Lamb as it is musically, however, it's very important to the story.

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#53

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Posted: 8/24/04 at 9:24am

Someone mentioned "Everybody's Girl" from Steel Pier earlier.

I'm convinced the real reason K&E wrote that song is so there would be at least one song that would live on in the drag clubs and gay piano bars.

Sure enough, a few months after the show closed, I was watching a show on PBS about the the gay community in San Francisco, and they were showing a drag club in Chinatown. A chinese female impersonator was singing "Everybody's Girl"!

#54

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Posted: 8/24/04 at 9:36am

That was me. HATED that song. Yet all three times I saw the show, the audience went WILD.

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#55

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Posted: 8/24/04 at 9:40am

Not exactly an answer to the question as you asked it, but I would cut the book out of Camelot and just do the music in a concert setting.

#56

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Posted: 8/24/04 at 9:46am

Excellent idea, DGrant.

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#57

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Posted: 8/24/04 at 11:10am

I didn't really care much for Fiddler's "new" song, Topsy-Turvy.

#58

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Posted: 8/24/04 at 11:20am

Something Bad
Dancing Through Life
One Short Day
A Sentimental Man
Thank Goodness
Wonderful
As Long as You're Mine

from Wicked

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#59

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Posted: 8/24/04 at 11:50am

The ones Mister Matt just mentioned above.
I know it's important, but I really dislike "Close Every Door" from Joseph.

#60

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Posted: 8/24/04 at 11:57am

Topsy Turvey could definitely go from Fiddler - it's too little WAY too late and has no importance to the plot.

So What, on the other hand IS necessary to the Cabaret story, whatever you think of it musically.

In Millie, at least one of the awful songs for Muzzy could go - probably As Long as I'm Here With You.

And from Wonderful Town, the excruciating Conversation Piece - please!

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#61

re: Snip snip

Posted: 8/24/04 at 12:02pm

Well, they cut "Lonely Room" from the old movie of Oklahoma. That and "It's a Scandal!", which I think is more expendable.

#62

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Posted: 8/24/04 at 12:07pm

"The problem with Lonely Room is that it is an important character development piece for understanding Jud...."

And I said: "That's true..."

"Cut LONELY ROOM from OKLAHOMA??? Are you insane!!!!! That would destroy Jud entirely!!!"

The question was, "What song would you cut and why?" I said "Lonely Room" because I didn't like the song and it was boring me. I answered the question. Anyways, that song wasn't in the movie, and they have almost every song from the cast recording. If it did destroy Jud's character, that's my problem if I was the one to cut the song from the show. It would only destroy his character a little, not entirely.

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#63

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Posted: 8/24/04 at 12:09pm

Exactly, Plum.

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#64

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Posted: 8/24/04 at 12:11pm

The Wizard songs and Something Bad from Wicked. They're annoyingly pointless. Dillamond was great in teh book but now, in the show, he's sort of pointless.

#65

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Posted: 8/24/04 at 12:14pm

Well, it does destroy the character almost entirely. The movie just chose to overlook that. "Lonely Room" (while not my favorite song, musically) pretty much outlines Jud's motivation for finally getting out of the smokehouse and trying to act on his desires. You can see the beginnings of it in Curly's teasing in the smokehouse scene and "Poor Jud is Daid," but "Lonely Room" makes it clear.

Look at the smokehouse scene in the London revival DVD- it's one of the strongest scenes in the whole thing. It makes the central love triangle more balanced by giving Curly some definite character flaws and Jud some sympathy, even as you realize that he's probably mentally imbalanced. Take away Jud's soliloquoy, and the show falls out of balance. He and Curly need to be opposite sides of the same coin.

If anything in Oklahoma! is expendable, I still say it's Ali Hakim's song. :P

Updated On: 8/24/04 at 12:14 PM

#66

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Posted: 8/24/04 at 12:35pm

I have to agree with whoever said Surabaya Santa. Its a funny song, but its not the right kind of funny to make it flow with the rest of the score. And I don't know if this counts, but I wish they had never put "something good" into the movie version of The Sound of Music. That song makes me want to hurl.

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#67

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Posted: 8/24/04 at 12:38pm

I still don't think it would "entirely" ruin his character, that is, if they replaced it with a monologue or a more catchy song. But I don't have control over the show, so don't worry.

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#68

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Posted: 8/24/04 at 12:41pm

I prefer Something Good in the film version of Sound of Music to the bland An Ordinary Couple which is instantly forgettable.

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#69

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Posted: 8/24/04 at 12:44pm

I understand where you're coming from, Millie. Even when someone as good as Shuler Hensley is singing it, that song is a lot to take. :/

#70

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Posted: 8/24/04 at 1:07pm

I second "More I Cannot Wish You" from Guys and Dolls. Very Boring.

"Now I Have Everything" is a tough song, its usually not very good in productions of Fiddler. However, if you cut it, you must replace it, as its really vital to Perchik's character. Him without a song kinda messes with the point of a musical. Same with Fyedka, I think he needs a song, too

"Class" from Chicago isn't THAT necessary. I mean, the movie worked without it lol.

#71

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Posted: 8/24/04 at 1:14pm

"Class" is just an ironic comedy song of sorts. Hearing morally suspect people like Velma and Mama Morton deploring the decline of class is amusing. But not really necessary.

#72

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Posted: 8/24/04 at 1:21pm

If you're gonna start cutting Oklahoma stuff, I"m not I could stop. So...here's my version of Oklahoma with the new cuts:

(lights up)

Curly(no shirt): "It's nice out today"

Non-descript dancer/bad singer: (said while dancing) "Hi, cutie. I love you."

Curly: "I love you, too."

Judd (pacing back and forth and staring into space): "No I love her, farmhand!"

Curly (as he takes off pants): "Who you callin' farmhand, porn-for-brains!"

(they fight. one kills the other)

ALL (including a dancing/non-singing ensemble): "Oklahoma is a great town."

(curtain)

#73

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Posted: 8/24/04 at 1:25pm

I would have said "Wonderful" from Wicked (even though I love that show) but now they reworked it and I actually liked it alot better. Its very good now in my opinion. I happen to like Dancing Through life. Have you ever heard the original song used in the SF show? That was terrible! Im much happier they used that.

Ummm 1 or 2 songs from Avenue Q, Im not sure which ones but they all pretty much sound the same to me, except "Loud as the Hell you Want". Other than that it all sounds the same with the exception of maybe 1 or 2 more that I cant think of

I also didnt like "Call Back In the Morning" from Little Shop. It seemed so boring for an Act 2 opener. I guess maybe cuz Suddenly Seymour follows? Idk

#74

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Posted: 8/24/04 at 1:28pm

Mushnik and son, LSOH.

#75

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Posted: 8/24/04 at 3:06pm

Actually, in response to the posting about cutting the script from CAMELOT and just doing a concert version of the score, I wqas in such a production just last fall.

We kept a skeletal script to advance and explain some numbers. And we did some edited versions of songs:

1) We cut the "Overture."

2) We cut HALF of "Simple Joys of Maidenhood"

3) We kept the pointless reprise of "Camelot."

4) We cut HALF of "The Lusty Month Of May"

5) We cut ALL of "Then You May Take Me To The Fair."

6) Amazingly, we kept all of "The Joust."

7) We kept "The Seven Deadly Virtues."

8 ) We cut "Fie On Goodness!"

9) We eviscerated "Guinevere," doing a line from one verse here, and a line from anothert verse there, intercutwith dialogue.

10) We did the (not occurring in the actual score) "Finale" from the cast album.

I'm glad to be able to say I did CAMELOT, even if it wasn't really "CAMELOT."

Songs should not ever be cut. Period.

I realize this thread was hypothetical...justy adding my editorial comments.

Updated On: 8/24/04 at 03:06 PM