[Title of Show] Moment of Truth

I'd worry about the weekly grosses, not the attendance.

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I regret even acknowledging this thread or bumping it but:

1. D,V.D

2. If you're truly a fan of the show, why would you create a thread to further fuel the nay-sayers?

3. Worrying about the shows attendance OR grosses is not going to help the show. Worry about the closing notice when the closing notice is posted, but don't put the final nail in the coffin. "Let the paint dry"

4. A sleeper hit can still happen, just keep telling 9 people (and Oprah).

Updated On: 8/23/08 at 01:22 AM

The point about tickets sold through discounts or TKTS is exactly why they also post the average ticket price. And unfortunately for TOS, it's been less than $50 lately. In the "grosses" chart, the most important information is really Theatre Size, Avg. Ticket Price, and Attendance %. Sadly, TOS isn't doing great in any of those areas, but let's see what the 9 people can do.

1. Do you not get the point of the song Nine people's favourite thing at all??

2. Even with "low attendance" or "low grosses", what's the production value of the show? Compared to other shows, nothing. As long as they're covering the rent, wages of everyone involved, publicity, etc., they'll be fine.

3. Everyone involved never had huge dreams of making millions of dollars anyway. They just wanted to do something original and something that spoke to people and I think that they have done exactly that.

4. As much as I would love it if they won a Tony, would it change how I feel about the show if they didn't? Not at all.

Trust me, they're fine.

Updated On: 8/23/08 at 05:41 PM

I really, really, hate threads like these and don't understand why tossers are predicting the ending of the show? Why not just live it up while it's still here?

Not claiming to know how Broadway business is done, but, out here in Aus, I'm currently studying a Theatre course about creating production companies, and a big part of that lately is business classes.

When working out budgets etc you work out Box Office takings on a 'worst case scenario' basis.

The worst case scenario figure we use is 30% therefore [tos] is doing 10-15% above that.

If you work out your budget correct for 30% and can get everything paid with 30% 40-45-even more% is making them money.

But whether that is how 'Big Broadway Shows' are worked out is a different matter.

My two cents though is that, who cares when a show is going to close! I have found a lot of people from the 'Broadway Crowd' are soooo negative it's unbelievable. Maybe it's because you don't realise what you have.

For us to get a show it takes years. We JUST got Wicked. We're JUST about to get Avenue Q, we JUST got Altar Boyz. We had Lion King only for the first time a few years ago. And then they don't hang around, they're usually national tour shows. So we get them if we're lucky for about 6 months, and then they're gone.

We've never had things like TKTS...it's always been full price, or cheaper matinees...and cheaper matinees I mean maybe a normal seat at Wicked is $119.50 aus and we pay $101.50.

Wicked has introduced a lotto system (finally)
Altar Boyz has rush tickets.
We're about to get Billy Elliot and Jersey Boys down here in Melbourne.

But I don't know how many hundreds of dollars I have to spend on no discount shows.

So Broadway People.
Remove your snide quips about when a show is going to close. Cherish it, love it, make it successful. Encourage the people behind it.

Because you are soo lucky to have soo much right on your doorstep.

Viva La [title of show]

Lol [tOZer] I love it!

[tos]tralian does also work!

Ugh where did all your last minute medals come from! We were beating you all first week!

Anyway- if it did close before I got there I would be disappointed yes. But my main issue is the mentality of the negative Broadway people.

I would never wish for any show to close, especially at the high level that is Broadway. To have made it there is something special, really special.

So many of us can only dream that our works will EVER get there, and then so many people post ridiculous hate about shows, and not just [tos], I've seen a lot of Hate for lots of shows. And I can't comprehend it. Sure maybe you don't enjoy a show...but some posts just blow me away!

Christmas is four months away! (This time in Four months I will be leaving NY ) but [title of show] or no [title of show] (and the first one my money is on) it will be the greatest trip of my life to date.

Thanks for your support englishtosser.

*attempts to think of witty english tos reference*

Hmmm you'll have to get back to me!

it will probbaly close on September 14th, 21st or 28th through sad but true financial realities

What gave you these precise dates?

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I figured. Just wondering why those specific three came to mind.

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Personally, I keep saying that I'm never shocked when I hear that [tos] is near closing on Broadway. I always knew it would be a short-lived run, but not because it's a bad show, definetly not that. It's because Broadway is way too commercial and expensive for it. It's sad to say, but artsy, Sondheim-esque (or just plain Sondheim) shows don't do well on B'way, movie-based, jukebox or those with high concepts (Ave Q in particular, also Spelling Bee) do. [tos] may seem high concept at first, but only to a theatre fan. To any tourist, it's one hell of a confusing description. But there's SO much more outside of Broadway. Tours, OFF-Broadway (where [tos] started and should've stayed [much more profitable IMO]), foreign markets (it could do very well in London), the list goes on and on. Why does Broadway have to mark the end? Did Hunter and Jeff really expect this show to be a huge, mega-hit in this unfortunately commercial landscape. Few shows on Broadway that are long-running are very good, even. [tos] will make more elsewhere, when it's cheaper and more accessible. Do a tour, which will attract theatre fans from all over. In fact, I'm really banking on a tour. Maybe if it's nominated for quite a few Tonys, the process will be speeded up? Whatever, my main point is that [title of show], at least in today's world, is not exactly a Broadway show. In fact, it's everything but. It's not a bad thing at all, it's just that it should get out of Broadway and into something that can give it the success it deserves...

I think [tos] would do well on the road. Looking at the show's MySpace or Facebook there are loads of "please come to Florida", "please come to Chicago" etc messages. It seems loads of their internet fans are young, teenage drama student types who can't afford to hop on a plane to NYC. I think a limited tour - three or four nights per city in 400-ish capacity venues - of cities with performing arts schools would sell really well. The beauty of [tos] is that the cast and crew is so small and the set so easy to transport (I'd ditch the Broadway set and go back to essentially a bare stage) that the costs normally involved in operating a touring production simply don't apply.