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#26

Tony Winner Why

Posted: 8/19/13 at 2:03am

Wynbish using defamation? Maybe you should look up the real meaning of defamation and/or read the article you linked... Wynbish is a delight on the boards who calls the trolls out for their SH*T.

"There’s nothing quite like the power and the passion of Broadway music. "

#27

I have a few Tony whys: One, Josh Rhodes not being nominated for his outstanding work in Cinderella and Kinky Boots winning for Mitchell's bland choreography. Two, Danny Troob not getting a Tony, moving on. Three, why couldn't Follies win the Tony for Revival of a Musical??? Finally, why oh why did a somewhat obscure musical like Gentlemen of Verona win?

#28

Tony Winner Why

Posted: 8/19/13 at 2:13am

"AND YES I am leaving these boards"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3z6AAUsQCM

#29

Tony Winner Why

Posted: 8/19/13 at 2:21am

^^^^^^^^^
Honey, when Gentlemen of Verona won it was a national travesty. Especially when "Follies" won basically every other award.
Also, I still think Dorothy Collins deserved the Tony over Alexis Smith. Some performances are so raw and powerful, they live on long after the show has closed. She was a revelation in the role, and she deserved that award.

"Sticks and stones, sister. Here, have a Valium." - Patti LuPone, a Memoir

Updated On: 8/19/13 at 02:21 AM

#30

Tony Winner Why

Posted: 8/19/13 at 2:24am

You got that right Sally, it's always THAT ROLE which leaves you thinking about her.

Now I know this is my personal opinion, but the one who comes the closest to Dorothy's brilliance and raw power in the role of Sally is none other than Victoria Clark.

#31

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Posted: 8/19/13 at 2:35am

I love Victoria Clark's Losing My Mind. Where is that damn John Yap CD with her performance? They always do this!!!!!!

Give me claws and a hunch, just away from this bunch.

#32

Tony Winner Why

Posted: 8/19/13 at 5:58am

I'm going to pretend, just for a minute, that your question is sincere.

1. Lots of folks here thought Kinky was superior to Matilda, myself included, so why is it so hard to believe that the voter did as well?

2. Unless you want to poll each and every Tony VOTER, and you can trust that they give you an accurate answer, you will never know WHY. Any insight that is going to happen, already had -- anything else is simply re-hashing. NO one (which, btw is two words) is going to suddenly say, "Gee, know that Minadan asks, I can reveal the REAL answer."

If we're not having fun, then why are we doing it? These are DISCUSSION boards, not mutual admiration boards. Discussion only occurs when we are willing to hear what others are thinking, regardless of whether it is alignment to our own thoughts.

#33

Tony Winner Why

Posted: 8/19/13 at 8:21am

Why?

Here's my theory.

Tony voters saw Kinky Boots, Matilda, and maybe even the other nominated shows, considered their merits and collectively decided they liked Kinky Boots at least a little more.

These included people who loved both shows, liked both shows, didn't love either show, didn't like either show, loved one and hated the other, loved one and liked the other, perhaps some who much preferred A Christmas Story but didn't vote for it because they were going to make sure that Matilda didn't win because they thought Kinky Boots was a lot better, etc., but no matter what, had to make a choice.

Add to all of that it might have been only a small number of voters who put Kinky over Matilda.

In other words, just like any other year.

Updated On: 8/19/13 at 08:21 AM

#34

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Posted: 8/19/13 at 8:24am

Personally, when given the choice between obnoxious children with undecipherable accents and annoying adults with semi-decipherable accents, I always choose the latter.

#35

Tony Winner Why

Posted: 8/19/13 at 10:47am

Fair enough, Jordan. I'll take that and remember it for future posts. Thanks.

#36

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Posted: 8/19/13 at 9:40pm

Judging only from the Tony Award performances (entirely unfair I know), neither show is exactly a classic.

But MATILDA sounded like fingernails on a blackboard while a jack-hammer pounded outside the window. BOOTS was repetitive, but at least I could stand the parts they repeated.

I doubt Tony voters meet in secret cabals and decide which shows will be denied awards.

#37

Tony Winner Why

Posted: 8/19/13 at 10:06pm

Wait, why is Cinderella a revival?

#38

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Posted: 8/19/13 at 10:09pm

Because of the American Theatre Wing rule that a show that has not performed on Broadway but has had life in theatre before, will be deemed "Classic" making it eligible for Best Revival.

#39

Tony Winner Why

Posted: 8/19/13 at 10:11pm

Did not see Matilda but cannot see how it could be better than KB

A musical about snotty kids & KB No comparison

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#40

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Posted: 8/19/13 at 10:15pm

I personally found Matilda to be far superior to Kinky Boots in every aspect except for sound design. I LOVED Matilda. LOVED it. I thought it was a musical masterpiece unlike anything I have ever seen. I LIKED Kinky Boots. It was a fun show with an enormous heart and a great message. I enjoyed both, but at the end of the day I much preferred Matilda. Whenever there are two strong contenders, people are going to be divided. The voters have the final say over what wins. That's all there is to it.

"There’s nothing quite like the power and the passion of Broadway music. "

#41

Tony Winner Why

Posted: 8/19/13 at 10:36pm

"Did not see Matilda but cannot see how it could be better than KB

A musical about snotty kids & KB No comparison"

Yes that's the thing. I hate children in musicals. If you give me "castle on a cloud" I want to give you an injection to put her down. If you give me "tomorrow" I want to give you a baseball bat to end her today.

But what Matilda has above those musicals is that it doesn't rely on a cute child schtick to tell a story. It uses clever, witty language and important, relevant themes to do so.

I just love comparing NAUGHTY to TOMORROW. Naughty is a quick, witty song about getting off your ass and doing something about your problems. TOMORROW is a droning child diva-moment about staying positive - indeed, until a rich 'daddy' comes and solves your problems.

Give me claws and a hunch, just away from this bunch.

#42

Tony Winner Why

Posted: 8/19/13 at 11:13pm

"Did not see Matilda but cannot see how it could be better than KB

A musical about snotty kids & KB No comparison"

Well if you didn't see Matilda then you are right there is no comparison. You can't fairly compare something if you haven't seen both ends of the spectrum.

I also hate children in musicals, and in general, but in Matilda these kids are not just there for cutesy schtick. Matilda manages to create a world where the children have a lot overcome, and it deals with some pretty heavy and deep themes in the process.

"There’s nothing quite like the power and the passion of Broadway music. "

#43

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Posted: 8/19/13 at 11:19pm

Haha... ATJ made me laugh there. Sometimes, the kids seem to grow up.

Words don't deserve that kind of malarkey. They're innocent, neutral, precise, standing for this, describing that, meaning the other, so if you look after them you can build bridges across incomprehension and chaos. But when they get their corners knocked off, they're no good anymore…I don't think writers are sacred, but words are. They deserve respect. If you get the right ones in the right order, you can nudge the world a little.

#44

Tony Winner Why

Posted: 8/19/13 at 11:34pm

So you think that musical X is better than musical Y but musical Y won the Tony Award that you think should have gone to musical X. So how does that in any way affect your opinion of either X or of Y? You enjoyed what you enjoyed. A trophy sitting on one person's mantle versus someone else's mantle changes that?

#45

Tony Winner Why

Posted: 8/20/13 at 12:26am

Another Tony why is how in all of Earth's unholy annoyances did David Henry Hawng got nominated for his atrocious, God-awful, unfunny, uncharming, and down right HORRENDOUS new book to Flower Drum Song?

Thank god the original is still around in regional productions.

#46

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Posted: 8/20/13 at 12:42am

I'm not drunk enough to read this sh!t.

"I saw Pavarotti play Rodolfo on stage and with his girth I thought he was about to eat the whole table at the Cafe Momus." - Dollypop

#47

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Posted: 8/20/13 at 1:16am

You don't need a drink when you are reading this nonsense in the Twilight Zone Robin.

#48

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Posted: 8/20/13 at 4:07pm

Look at me! Stirring the pot and causing trouble! I'm such a mischievous imp!

"What can you expect from a bunch of seitan worshippers?" - Reginald Tresilian

#49

Tony Winner Why

Posted: 8/21/13 at 2:59pm

I am the wrong person to ask since I've seen neither show... but based solely on the Tony performances, and what I've seen on youtube, etc. personally I found Matilda to be more appealing (to me at least...)

If that Kinky Boots song was considered to be the showstopper of the musical, I can't see myself enjoying the rest of it. It was a chore to get through, and sounded derivative of other feel-good big anthems in other shows... just not as good. Matilda on the other hand, had a freshness and originality to the score that was completely unexpected.

Perhaps the rest of Lauper's score is better... but if I get to NYC anytime in the near future, I'm headed to the Shubert.

#50

Tony Winner Why

Posted: 8/21/13 at 8:49pm

Now I know this is my personal opinion, but the one who comes the closest to Dorothy's brilliance and raw power in the role of Sally is none other than Victoria Clark.

I saw both twice and I agree. Which is interesting because each lady sang the role in an entirely different manner.

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