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Tony rules... can a different Hedwig ever be nominated?

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#1

Tony rules... can a different Hedwig ever be nominated?

I'm confused as to how Tony nominations work. Can someone be nominated for a Tony *only* if the show premiered/opened that Tony year? So hypothetically, if Taye Diggs does a better job of portraying Hedwig than NPH, can Taye Diggs ever be nominated for a Tony for playing that character?


If that were the case, that doesn't really seem very fair. Has there ever been any performances where a person does a better job than the "original" but never received any nods or recognition?


#3

Tony rules... can a different Hedwig ever be nominated?

Except the time there was.


Whoever headlines the next revival could be nominated if it's on Broadway but I'm hoping for an elaborate environmental staging in a warehouse.


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#4

Tony rules... can a different Hedwig ever be nominated?

"Only the person who plays a role on opening night can be nominated."


Dean Jones opened Company, was replaced by Larry Kert, and Kert was nominated for a Tony Award for Best Actor in a Musical. They bent the rules then.


True, Jones was gone about a month after opening, as opposed to, for example Diggs, who will play the role more than a year later and after several other actors have had runs in the show.



As for replacements who were better than the original... I have thought that a few people were better... I liked Betty Buckley much more than Glenn Close in Sunset Boulevard, but both got great notices...


#6

Tony rules... can a different Hedwig ever be nominated?

I don't see how it's that unfair for the actor who opened the show to be the one eligible for a Tony.


That is when a show is at most "risk", especially in a new production the actor has zero template/model to go by and has to create the persona, and if the audience/critics reject it, it's curtains for many productions.


Even in a revival, the first cast is critical for a show's chance. "Company" was a fairly big exception in that Dean Jones basically pulled out of the show after opening night.


In baseball terms, the opening pitcher if he goes the 5 innings gets the win.


"when I’m on stage I see the abyss and have to overcome it by telling myself it’s only a play." - Helen Mirren
#7

Tony rules... can a different Hedwig ever be nominated?

I also think it's somewhat logistical. Tony nominators and voters can't go around watching every replacement (or most) to see who is nomination worthy as their plate is already full with seeing new productions every season (plays and musicals). If they only picked and chose which ones to watch based on buzz and positive word-of-mouth, that wouldn't be fair to less known or popular replacements who may also be worthy of note.

#8

Tony rules... can a different Hedwig ever be nominated?

I believe Dean Jones made the decision/agreement to leave Company before it opened on Broadway and the creatives knew it. But, there may still may not have been much notice - I think the decision was made in the Boston tryout. But I could be wrong. Regardless, the Larry Kert nomination is one of a kind.


I also think the big "replacement" talk was also over Jonathan Pryce in Dirty Rotten Scoundrels. The Tony Committee did add a "best replacement" category - didn't award it and then dropped the category. Best Replacement Tony Award

Updated On: 6/12/15 at 05:50 PM

#9

Tony rules... can a different Hedwig ever be nominated?

Somewhat related, there was Martine McCutcheon's Eliza in the 2001 West End revival of My Fair Lady.


She missed so many performances due to illnesses/problems that Jonathan Pryce (Prof Higgins) claimed he had Martine and 3 understudies he had to act opposite of, and had not even had the chance to even rehearse with some of them. He stated in particular the last night of previews on a very very short notice.


He also claimed Martine was missing for 6 weeks after opening night.


www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVHSfMYm7_Q


I can just imagine what he thought when McCutheon won the Olivier for best lead actress in a musical, especially when all her understudies played the role many more times than she did up to the awards being presented.


"when I’m on stage I see the abyss and have to overcome it by telling myself it’s only a play." - Helen Mirren

Updated On: 6/12/15 at 06:23 PM

#11

Tony rules... can a different Hedwig ever be nominated?

They have also awarded replacements willy nilly with a "special" Tony. Mary Tyler Moore was awarded for replacing Tom Conti in "Whose Life Is It Anyway?" and just this year John Cameron Mitchell for Hedwig.

#12

Tony rules... can a different Hedwig ever be nominated?

I can just imagine what he thought when McCutheon won the Olivier for best lead actress in a musical, especially when all her understudies played the role many more times than she did up to the awards being presented.


I remember what I thought when I saw them both in the show. Martine was breathtaking and the award was actually well-deserved for the performance she did give. Her performance as Eliza will be forever etched in my memory and is easily one of the best musical theatre performances I've seen. Meanwhile, Pryce was terrible and the worst thing about the production. Apparently, he was so furious about the understudy situation, he decided to be an unprofessional d!ck about it. When Martine's second understudy (the first understudy, Alexandra Jay, also called in sick for many performances) went on for her first performance, Pryce addressed the audience at her expense saying, "This will be your first Eliza, my second today and my third this week. Any member of the audience interested in playing Eliza can find applications at the door. Wednesday and Saturday matinee available." That second understudy was Kerry Ellis.


Martine's permanent replacement, Joanna Riding, went on to win the Olivier the following year for the same role.


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Updated On: 6/12/15 at 07:29 PM

#13

Tony rules... can a different Hedwig ever be nominated?

I agree that overall McCutheon got really good reviews, she missed the last preview night, was able to make the opening night, and then was MIA for most of the next six weeks.


It was probably a combination of not being a formally trained singer tackling such a daunting vocal role (she said she had damaged vocal chords, bronchitis, was taking steroids to keep up, etc ). She left 4 months earlier than her intital committment but in hindsight she probably didn't have the physical stamina to have done the role day in and day out.


From what I understand the rest of the cast was not thrilled that on some of the nights she was out (the intiall run her understudy did 64 performances) she was seen out and about socially in London.


"when I’m on stage I see the abyss and have to overcome it by telling myself it’s only a play." - Helen Mirren

Updated On: 6/12/15 at 08:06 PM

#14

Tony rules... can a different Hedwig ever be nominated?

There have already been Hedwig replacements whose performances/interpretations are generally seen as being better than/ favored over NPH. He is actually my least favorite of all the Hedwigs.


I've never understood why there isnt's a replacement category. Higher caliber performers would be more willing to replace and it would bring fresh eyes and some bonus bragging rights/prestige to older shows. Only great things would come from it.

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Tony rules... can a different Hedwig ever be nominated?

"There have already been Hedwig replacements whose performances/interpretations are generally seen as being better than/ favored over NPH. He is actually my least favorite of all the Hedwigs. "


"Generally", by whom? the critics who overall gave NPH rave reviews?. The Drama League, the Drama Desk, and the Tony awards which gave him the best male lead in a musical? The Hedwig Box office where he had weekly million dollar grosses for a lot of his run and standing room only?


I get that others personally may have preferred Rannels, Michael Hall , and especially JCM, but I'm curious about this "generally seen " consensus you throw out there.



"when I’m on stage I see the abyss and have to overcome it by telling myself it’s only a play." - Helen Mirren

Updated On: 6/12/15 at 09:38 PM

#16

Tony rules... can a different Hedwig ever be nominated?

"Generally" as in I've seen more people who have other Hedwigs as a point of refrence who prefer other takes on the part than I've seen of people who hold his above all others.


Every Hedwig is different. "Better" maybe isn't the right word. It's really which take on the part resonates stronger with individual people. NPH was very good, but I don't care for his take on the character. To me it came across as exactly what it was. A career move that was a 180 from what he had been doing, would generate rave reviews, and win him a Tony. I'm not saying that's a bad thing, but it is what it was. I in no way question or look down on the success of his run, but bringing reviews and the Tony and the box office into it doesn't mean much when it's a totally different game for anyone who comes after the originator.

#17

Tony rules... can a different Hedwig ever be nominated?

""Generally" as in I've seen more people who have other Hedwigs as a point of refrence who prefer other takes on the part than I've seen of people who hold his above all others. ."


I'm not arguing who one prefers personally. I liked in different ways NPH, Michael Hall, JCM and especially Andrew Rannels. Rannells I thought was especially good in having a great balance of good acting/singing to the role. Sacrilege I know but I prefer him in some ways over JCM.


The point is just SAYING that per your circle of friends others are preferred over NPH isn't really a general consensus. As to all those awards, of course no one has to agree (God, when I think of Matthew Broderick's Tony award...) with the accolades, but the point is there were people out there who really liked NPH's spin on Hedwig so they are part of the "generally" which you conveniently leave out.


"when I’m on stage I see the abyss and have to overcome it by telling myself it’s only a play." - Helen Mirren

Updated On: 6/12/15 at 10:18 PM

#18

Tony rules... can a different Hedwig ever be nominated?

I did include people who favor NPH, I said I've seen less of them than I've seen of people who favor some of the others, and that's true. But I never used the word consensus. There will never be a consensus on a single version of a character who is so open to interpretation. And I'm not just talking about my circle of friends. When they hit five Hedwigs over one year I became very curious about what what being said beyond my scope, so a few weeks ago spent a solid amount of time reading a wide range of varied opinions.

#19

Tony rules... can a different Hedwig ever be nominated?

"They have also awarded replacements willy nilly with a "special" Tony. Mary Tyler Moore was awarded for replacing Tom Conti in "Whose Life Is It Anyway?" and just this year John Cameron Mitchell for Hedwig."


The show with Conti closed for four months and reopened at a different theater with Moore. (There was some rewriting and the second lead (Jean March) was recast as a man (James Naughton), IIRC. I'm not sure why they didn't consider it a revival, except that both runs took place within the same Tony-eligiblity period.


I don't think there was a Best Revival of a Play back then (1979-80), but treating the return engagement as a revival would open another can of worms: for example, could the director have been nominated twice? Tom Conti won Best Actor for his portrayal of the leading role; perhaps nominating Moore for what was more or less the same part would have set up an unfair sense of competition between the two.


(I thought Moore was terrific, BTW.)

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