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#26

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Wicked & Altar Boyz were both overrated but I do admit to liking the latter more than the former
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#27

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From what I've seen Wicked has been sort of s gateway show. People I know become interested in Wicked and that branches to other shows. I think Wicked lays that foundation for many people to become interested in live theatre.
#28

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I love wicked it is one of my favorite show's.
I just got the cast album for my birthday and cantstop listining to it!
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#29

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You don't have to read these- these are 2 posts that were on the first page. I just copied and pasted them because they couldn't have more truth to them. AMEN!

"I think antman sums it up relatively well, at least for me. I have no problem with Wicked itself - the show is not for me, but it's fun, gives actors jobs and brings money and younger people to Broadway. Most Wicked fans are actually sensible, nice people with an interest in many other shows. I just think it's like any new show that develops a large following quickly - you are just pummeled over the head by people who can't get enough of it and think it's the second coming. It's annoying, but I find it easy to ignore. But there's always a part of you that just wants to sit the more fanatical ones down and explain that there is more to Broadway than Wicked. C'est la vie."

"I honestly think it's more about the reaction to the show as opposed to the actual show itself. The majority of the people on this board don't necessarily hate the show... granted, some do... but they are sick of seeing a million threads on the topic of Wicked. It's also because Wicked gets a lot of backlash. If someone asks a question about Wicked, they will more likely be bashed than for someone asking a question about Piazza. The people asking questions about Wicked and the "fans" are usually rather eccentric and too bubbly. No one wants to see 15 million exclamation points after "I LOVE WICKED", especially when the fan knows nothing and has no opinions about anything except for Wicked. It's just something you grow accustomed to, because for every sane Wicked fan, there are 10 crazy annoying ones. "

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#30

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How about a faulty book that has way to many mistakes and cheesy lines. So many things technically couldn't have occured.

The set reffers to the book and not the show itself.

The god awful rock concert lighting.
#31

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Oh and let's not forget leading ladies screeching. That is NEVER fun.

Although I guess it's true that's not the fault of the musical itself...
"It's a great feeling of power to be naked in front of people. We're happy to watch actual incredible graphic violence and gore, but as soon as somebody's naked it seems like the public goes a bit bananas about the whole thing."
#32

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It has one cute song, "Popular" which I must admit has a qwirky melody that gets in your head and won't go away. Beyond that, the music is the composer performing to his usual level. The ending is a total cop-out and excuse me but putting a woman on a forklift and hoisting her up a few dozen feet is not exactly "defying gravity." It's such a cop-out. They should have gone to David Copperfield and had him devise a trick that truly does "defy gravity."

But little girls love the show (as they will tell you over and over again) and if even a few of them become avid elevenoclocksongophiles, I'll puit up their "I LOVE WICKED" and "IDINA IS A GODDESS" posts. As long as they don't list Rent and Jersey Boys as the "GREATEST SHOWS EVER WRITTEN."
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#33

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I like what the director did with Defying Gravity. I actually don't think there's much spectacle in Wicked at all. I kind of appreciate him for not having Elphaba flying out over the audience. I like the stage picture he opted for.
#34

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Okay here's a question about the whole Defy Gravity thing.

She's flying right? So why is her broom in her hand? As opposed to underneath her? Is are we expected to believe that she's hanging on to a flying broom while screaming out notes?
"It's a great feeling of power to be naked in front of people. We're happy to watch actual incredible graphic violence and gore, but as soon as somebody's naked it seems like the public goes a bit bananas about the whole thing."
#35

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I suppose I oppose the theatre decor because I think the show is the thing that should bring you into that world- you don't need to be thrown into that world by theatre decor. It's like - "hey, this is what you're going to see - like it and buy some stuff while you are at it!"

As for the defying gravity question - it's called suspension of disbelief....

I mean let's face it- are we expected to believe that Elphie and Fieyro would really waste time singing to each other? They sure found other things to do in the book. re: Whats Wrong with Wicked?


So, that was the Drowsy Chaperone. Oh, I love it so much. I know it's not a perfect show...but it does what a musical is supposed to do. It takes you to another world, and it gives you a little tune to carry with you in your head for when you're feeling blue. Ya know?
#36

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It's a really fun show with catchy songs, but it isn't exactly the most brilliant thing to hit the stage.
"You know, with the right volume, Patti LuPone can make a car bounce, too...." -Wonderwaiter
#37

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never saw it, heard some of the music and hated it. wouldn't waste my money on it.
#38

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I second the mention of cheesy lines. I've seen Wicked three times, and would see it again, but there are just some parts of the show where I go "dear god....".
#39

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Yeah, there are some bad lyrics, but they don't seem to bother me when I'm seeing the show. A couple lines in "For Good" are pretty "ugh" - but I guess they work because I doubt most people catch them.
#40

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"Like a seed dropped by a sky bird"? I guess if they didn't specify, I would have assumed it was a penguin
#41

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i got to see wicked when i was in the states and really enjoyed it its the kind of show that is def needed to get a young set of theatre goers in to the theatre and keep them coming back to broadway for years to come.
i think its a lot like footloose,fame,dirty dancing etc it does what it says on the tin and its a great night out.
I think some of the wicked haters read far to much in to this show ,it is what it is.As for plot holes well come on ITS A MUSICAL the highly praised drs has plot holes as does piazza as does les mis etc etc i really dont think matters
Wicked is about to open in london and i for 1 am looking forward to getting a night of from my show and get my arse down there to enjoy it again.
#42

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This is what I think? People on here don't hate wicked, they hate those crazy obsessed people. And I will admit at one time I use to be like that. Then I finally saw the show and yes I was inpressed and it is still my favorite but I know its not the absolute best thing there is. But it did after many years of being away make me come back to the musical world...and I will tell you that it is the reason I am pursueing broadway...
Genius lasts longer than beauty.
#43

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I agree with what was mostly said here. It's not the show, it's the people. I relate it to the Yearbook staff at my school. Everyone enjoys the yearbook, but they hate the staff members on it because they're constantly doing shady things in order to get the yearbook out on time, and then we end up getting it basically the day before graduation. Ridiculous. But anyways, that makes us hate the actual yearbook, because the staff is so annoying. Get it?

However, I think there is TOO MUCH animosity here. I mean, there was a thread that said "Favorite Musical? One Rule: Can't Be Wicked." I mean, come on. If Wicked is someone's favorite, it's someone's favorite. Don't censor that, no matter how aggravating it is. It's a fantastic piece of theatre with a great score and an enjoyable book. If you don't like it, don't hate. Just stand back and let others enjoy it.
#44

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Well the lyrics are so offensive that Kristin and Idina used terrible diction so you can't understand what they are saying on the Cast recording....

"I'd sooner buy defying graviety".......Who buys that?

#45

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yeah i def dont think its the best musical around just a bloody good fun show which is pleasing a lot of people(on lyric bashing by the wicked haters DRS lyrics sometimes verge on stupid as much as i love that show).
I for one hope wicked runs and runs and keeps new people coming in to the theatre and has them leaving excited and ready to see another show.After all without shows like wicked me and many other musical theatre actors would be out of jobs

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#46

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In regards to Roscoe's statement about L. Frank Baum turning over in his grave after every performance of Wicked--I couldn't disagree more. I think he would have loved it.

I know there are a ton of MGM tributes in Wicked the Musical, but there are also a few Baum tributes such as Hammerheads, the Saw Horse, the Green Glasses (taken out of context from the Oz books, but none-the-less represented).

Also, Baum himself presided over the 1902 stage production of The Wizard of Oz which was drastically different from the book (one example is the Dorothy brought her pet cow Imogene to Oz as opposed to Toto). Even Baum's Oz sequels become increasingly more silly and whimsical much more so than Wicked.

Baum might turn over in his grave with the MaGuire's book Wicked, but not the musical.

I like Wicked myself. This is based in the fact that I have always been a huge Oz fan and all previous creations of Oz since MGM have sucked (i.e. Return to Oz which in my view was not faithful at all to anything Baum, Oz, or MGM). But unlike many people's opinions, I think Wicked the Musical is smart and fun.


Updated On: 6/2/06 at 10:30 AM

#47

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Interesting note on the 1902 Production of The Wizard of Oz (nothing like MGM movie). It premiered in Chicago, and hit Broadway in 1903. Wicked hit Broadway in 2003.

The Wizard of Oz was arguably the biggest hit on Broadway in the first decade of the twentieth century and went on to have even further success as it toured for most of the decade. Wicked will arguably be the biggest hit (at least the most successful) hit of the first decade of the twenty first century.

Notably, the most popular characters in the 1903 production were the Scareacrow and Tin Man and not Dorothy which made Fred Stone and David Montgomery household names back then. Now a new pair of Oz favorites are represented except this time female--Glinda and Elphaba.
#48

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Because most of the obsessive fans of Wicked (as well as many in this thread) are in desperate need of this:
Let's Review...
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#49

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Thanks for the grammar lesson. It's basically lost on most people. I am a member of The Writer's Guild of America. If you phone their main number, the recorded voice states: "Please press the number of the department whiched you wanted."

Whiched?

On the WRITER'S GUILD phone line.

Sometimes, I an ashamed to get out of bed in the morning.
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#50

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I enjoy Wicked, but it certainly is not my favorite musical. When I am in the mood to be sucked into a show and forget about my reality for a while and just have fun, I am game for Wicked. I think that alot of people do, as said before, hold Wicked up to "the greatest show in the history of the world" status. I have no problem with people personally thinking it is, but if you post a thread stating "OMGOZ WYCKED IS THE BESTEST SHOW IN THE WYRLD IT DESERVED EVERY TONY," then yeah...it gets annoying.

I am very happy though that Wicked has brought a new dynamic to Bway. Before, alot of my friends hated musicals, but after hearing Wicked, they branched out and listened to more Bway, and have found out it isn't just Rogers and Hammerstein anymore.

Plus..for me, it differs SO much from the book. It is too sugarcoated. The book really did deal with political agendas, and was the most disturbing, yet compelling book I have laid eyes on.

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