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Why did the Pirate Queen fail?

Why did the Pirate Queen fail?

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broadwayrules
#1Why did the Pirate Queen fail?
Posted: 12/25/07 at 3:45pm

The music doesn't seem that bad, the story sounds interesting, so what caused it to fail?

Yankeefan007
#2re: Why did the Pirate Queen fail?
Posted: 12/25/07 at 3:47pm

The whole think s(t)unk.
Updated On: 12/25/07 at 03:47 PM

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CapnHook
#2re: Why did the Pirate Queen fail?
Posted: 12/25/07 at 3:49pm

Book problems + huge budget to recoup + large theatre to fill = take your loses and close.


"The Spectacle has, indeed, an emotional attraction of its own, but, of all the parts, it is the least artistic, and connected least with the art of poetry. For the power of Tragedy, we may be sure, is felt even apart from representation and actors. Besides, the production of spectacular effects depends more on the art of the stage machinist than on that of the poet."
--Aristotle

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BrodyFosse123
#3re: Why did the Pirate Queen fail?
Posted: 12/25/07 at 3:51pm

On 7/24/07 a long thread covered this same inquiry:

https://forum.broadwayworld.com/readmessage.cfm?boardname=bway&thread=942527#3186635


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LizzieCurry
#4re: Why did the Pirate Queen fail?
Posted: 12/25/07 at 3:51pm

The music doesn't seem that bad

NO


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neddyfrank2
#5re: Why did the Pirate Queen fail?
Posted: 12/25/07 at 3:52pm

Because it was so boring that the entire audience almost fell asleep before Act One ended!

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Mr Roxy
#6re: Why did the Pirate Queen fail?
Posted: 12/25/07 at 3:53pm

Not everyone shares the opinion it ******


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steven22
#7re: Why did the Pirate Queen fail?
Posted: 12/25/07 at 3:56pm

because it sucked ..SJB was great but overall the show sucked big..

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BrodyFosse123
#8re: Why did the Pirate Queen fail?
Posted: 12/25/07 at 4:00pm

Mr Roxy...if not everyone shared this opinion then the show would still be playing at the Hilton Theatre now, wouldn't it?

Word-of-mouth is stronger than critics reviews. I think you've heard of some shows not well received by critics: WICKED? MAMMA MIA!?




Updated On: 12/25/07 at 04:00 PM

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Mr Roxy
#9re: Why did the Pirate Queen fail?
Posted: 12/25/07 at 4:03pm

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. The only one that matters is yours. You pay your money & you like it greta. Ditto for not liking it

We liked it & you did not. Life goes on.

Why did Follies, probably one of the best ever, fail?


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Updated On: 12/25/07 at 04:03 PM

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broadwayfan7
#10re: Why did the Pirate Queen fail?
Posted: 12/25/07 at 4:03pm

I personally loved the show. That is just my opinion.


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jaystarr
#11re: Why did the Pirate Queen fail?
Posted: 12/25/07 at 4:04pm

Jesus Christ ! this was discussed to exhaustion....

Where have you been?

Now I am becoming bitchy too! only on holidays though re: Why did the Pirate Queen fail?

PS. I'll start some threads too ...so I can get some attention! re: Why did the Pirate Queen fail? Why did TARZAN close? Why did HIGH FIDELITY close? How does MARY POPPINS fly ?

J*

Updated On: 12/25/07 at 04:04 PM

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Smaxie
#12re: Why did the Pirate Queen fail?
Posted: 12/25/07 at 4:05pm

re: Why did the Pirate Queen fail?

>You pay your money & you like it greta.<

Oh, leave me out of this!


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Updated On: 12/25/07 at 04:05 PM

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jaystarr
#13re: Why did the Pirate Queen fail?
Posted: 12/25/07 at 4:07pm

LOL! Smaxie

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James885
#14re: Why did the Pirate Queen fail?
Posted: 12/25/07 at 4:10pm

I never saw it so I can't comment on the show itself, but I got the CR and I thought the music was pretty bad. The cast sounded fine, but the problem was the material itself. It mostly sounded like Les Miz and Miss Saigon thrown together and re-mixed with some Irish flutes added. The lyrics were bland and mostly laughable. It's no coincidence that my favorite songs were the ones with little or no singing (Prologue, Entr'acte, The Wedding).


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jaystarr
#15re: Why did the Pirate Queen fail?
Posted: 12/25/07 at 4:12pm

^^^^ very well said..hon!

Youre lucky you did not see it... unlike me.. I am sucker to every Broadway show....

and let's bury PIRATE QUEEN please.. R.I.P.

Thanks

J*

neddyfrank2
#16re: Why did the Pirate Queen fail?
Posted: 12/25/07 at 4:12pm

Mr Roxy...if not everyone shared this opinion then the show would still be playing at the Palace Theatre now, wouldn't it?

Hilton - not Palace.

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BrodyFosse123
#17re: Why did the Pirate Queen fail?
Posted: 12/25/07 at 4:15pm

Noted, neddyfrank2. re: Why did the Pirate Queen fail?


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winston89
#18re: Why did the Pirate Queen fail?
Posted: 12/25/07 at 4:24pm

Because Brooks wanted the theatre for Frankenstine.

I loved the show and think the score is beautiful.

I don't think that the score was a mix of Miss Saigon and Les Miserables put together. If Martin Guirre opened up on broadway people would be saying the same thing.


I think it failed because of the format of the show. Mega sung through musicals aren't as popular as they were in the past. I do think that people have trouble getting used to new mega musicals but do alright with the ones that made a name for themselves. For example, the revival of Les Miserables got people to the Broadhurst because it is Les Miserables. A show people know and love same thing with Phantom. It can get dicy when you add a new show to the mix.


And for the record. Wicked got mixed reviews. And for Mamma Mia. Brantly pretty much said that even though it is not the best show he has seen. It is catchy light harted and funy and he thought it was what the city needed afther 9/11. Keep in mind that it eiather had to delay its opening or had a schduled opening right after 9/11.


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BrodyFosse123
#19re: Why did the Pirate Queen fail?
Posted: 12/25/07 at 4:30pm

MAMMA MIA!'s original preview start date of 10/5/01 and Opening Night of 10/18/01 were never delayed, not even the start date of their 1st rehearsal a few days after 9/11.


neddyfrank2
#20re: Why did the Pirate Queen fail?
Posted: 12/25/07 at 4:31pm

Mamma Mia didn't even have a month of rehearsals?

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Smaxie
#21re: Why did the Pirate Queen fail?
Posted: 12/25/07 at 4:32pm

It's Urinetown that was scheduled to open on September 13 and had to delay its opening to September 20... not Mamma Mia.


Begin at the beginning and go on till you come to the end: then stop.

Yankeefan007
#22re: Why did the Pirate Queen fail?
Posted: 12/25/07 at 4:32pm

'Scuse my ignorance...whose photo is that?

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wonderfulwizard11
#23re: Why did the Pirate Queen fail?
Posted: 12/25/07 at 4:33pm

The Pirate Queen did not fail because Brooks wanted the theatre for Young Frankenstein. It failed because it got awful reviews and no one wanted to see it.


I am a firm believer in serendipity- all the random pieces coming together in one wonderful moment, when suddenly you see what their purpose was all along.

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BrodyFosse123
#24re: Why did the Pirate Queen fail?
Posted: 12/25/07 at 4:36pm

That photo is none-other that Hollywood's notorious recluse: Greta Garbo.

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