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Will the NINE film affect the musical's reputation?

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#1

Will the NINE film affect the musical's reputation?

I recall an interview several ears ago where Sondheim discussed the possibility of a SWEENEY film. He said he was interested, but only recently, since for years he feared a poor film would damage the musical's reputation. (Nevermind that both NIGHT MUSIC and FORUM received mediocre to poor films and both are done with regularity and/or are respected shows.) He was eventually convinced when someone mentioned GUYS AND DOLLS, and how the musical is considered one of the best though the film certainly isn't.

How do you think the NINE film will affect the musical's reputation?

(I realize many of you like the film, and that is absolutely allowed. You must agree, though, the general word-of-mouth for the film is not a good and it will be considered a pretty big flop in the end. But love it, you may.)

It's easy to say it won't be affected: indeed, here is a show that has one a Tony for both its Broadway productions. And yet, the score was trashed in several major media outlets for "not having one good song", not evoking the period correctly, or being downright bad. I believe this to be Mashall's fault, as many of us do, but that is besides the point when few if any critics came to Yeston's defense.

I realize RENT, THE PRODUCERS, and PHANTOM all had anemic films, but all of those titles had major reputations as quality or popular titles before the films were released. NINE's reputation was and remains unknown to the puiblic.

It's hard to imagine a major Broadway revival, even in 10 years, succeeding on Broadway without a very major star. A majority of the public would see the title and think, "Oh, that bad musical all those stars did a few years ago." And what major star would do it?
#2

Will the NINE film affect the musical's reputation?

How is it Marshall's fault if the songs don't fit? He didn't write them.

I wouldn't think that it will affect the reputation of the original musical since they are both different forms of entertainment. But, who knows? So many people love to bash....anything.....as if they could do it better.

This was Marshall's vision. You got a room full of 10 different directors, you'll get 10 different versions and visions of the show. Just because they are all different, doesn't make it wrong or bad.




Updated On: 1/2/10 at 06:37 PM

#3

Will the NINE film affect the musical's reputation?

I think that this movie probably won't hurt the reputation of Nine. Seeing its low grosses and how empty the theater was when I saw it on top of the number of questions asking "wait--wasn't Nine released in September, and isn't it a science fiction movie you wouldn't like, Danny?" upon mentioning the movie in conversation makes me think that if there is a revival in many years to come, tourists will say "Oh, yeah, that's that movie from a while ago I didn't see, I wonder if it was any good, I liked that other movie musical he directed" or "I haven't heard of it, what's it about?". I liked the movie, but in a way, I guess its poor sales are helping the musical.
#4

Will the NINE film affect the musical's reputation?

NINE on stage was not your run of the mill musical much like Follies

It doubt the masses would flock ro NIN anymore than they would to Follies.

Since it will not be revived anytime soon it would have minimal effect unless a tour popped up.
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#5

Will the NINE film affect the musical's reputation?

We shall see. Two regional theatre (Westchester Broadway Theatre in CT and the Arvada Center in CO) are doing it this spring. Possibly folks will say, "Oh, NINE the musical. I heard it was awful."
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#6

Will the NINE film affect the musical's reputation?

That's so annoying when people say that - "Oh, I heard it's bad." I just don't get that.....so just because "they heard" it's bad, makes it bad? WTF???? Just don't understand that.
#7

Will the NINE film affect the musical's reputation?

Do not get me wrong. I enjoyed it but it is nowhere near how great it could have been with a different director, different script & retaining more of the score.Some different actors might have helped also.
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#8

Will the NINE film affect the musical's reputation?

Well, most people don't see shows that often, so because they're used to only seeing a few of what shows are available, they want to make sure that they are shows they will enjoy. Look at it this way: if somebody told you a movie you were curious about was really bad and they hated it, would you be rushing to see it?
#10

Will the NINE film affect the musical's reputation?

If anything, I think it will help create awareness with a new demographic about the show that didn't exist to begin with.

I don't think that NINE "sucked" as a film, but (for argument's sake), I can't think of a single crappy movie version of a Broadway musical that swayed audiences or producers away from it.

If that were the case, we'd no longer see productions of Annie, A Chorus Line, Man of La Mancha, The Wiz, Camelot, Phantom of the Opera, A Little Night Music, Carousel, Guys and Dolls, etc.

I can't name one "bomb" movie musical that hurt future productions of its stage version. It's an irrational concern with no basis historically.
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#12

Will the NINE film affect the musical's reputation?

The film will not affect the musical's reputation. The film is doing bad at the box office which means not a lot of people are seeing it. Since not ,any people are seeing the film the reputation is not going to be affected either positively or negatively. By the time the next revival of this show comes around most people will probably have forgotten about the film completely. As for the fans of the musical who hated the movie, they will be glad to see the original musical back.

Updated On: 1/2/10 at 08:09 PM

#13

Will the NINE film affect the musical's reputation?

^Excellent point.
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#14

Will the NINE film affect the musical's reputation?

I actually told a friend to wait and rent it b/c it is not worth the money, and I felt awful for saying it as I try to support musicals. Not to mention, just letting her see it and decided for herself, but I just couldn't sincerely tell her to go and spend ten bucks on it.

#16

Will the NINE film affect the musical's reputation?

Does the musical really have all that high of a reputation? I remember thinking, after seeing David Leveaux's horrific revival, that Tommy Tune's original staging had managed to cover up the show's weaknesses, namely the entirely adequate but nothing special score and book, with some entertaining razzle dazzle. The essential emptiness of the show, especially in comparison with Fellini's film, only becomes clearer as time goes by.
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#18

Will the NINE film affect the musical's reputation?

Oh, Mr. Roxy, really? The old "I guess that's why X won Y awards" argument? Wow.

Well, okay, then. If it won all those awards then it must be a work of towering genius, because after all, awards are the real measure of a show's artistic measure, aren't they?


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#19

Will the NINE film affect the musical's reputation?

All I am saying is it is not the pile of dogcrap you seem to think it is. It is your opinion nothing more & nothing less.

I guess because critics love a show it must be a work of art. I have seen many critically lauded shows that I thought were boring beyond belief. Copenhagen springs to mind. Conversely, many critically dismissed shows I have enjoyed.
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Updated On: 1/2/10 at 10:48 PM

#20

Will the NINE film affect the musical's reputation?

I think what Nine needs is a strong revival to remind people what a great musical it is. The musical itself is brilliant and some people are forgetting how remarkable the original musical was after the film version.
#22

Will the NINE film affect the musical's reputation?

This is the only film version of a musical I can think of in which its critics -- many of them, anyway -- are actually blaming the source material for its failure. Many of them have commented on the score being poor, on the book being weak, and on stage directors having done a good job of covering that up. Many of them found Rob Marshall failed to camouflage its existing flaws.

I don't think that's entirely fair, mind you, but there is a lot of thought along these lines. I think the film makes the score look bad by not allowing the songs to work as part of the book but by turning them into would-be show stoppers or eliminating them entirely. The screenplay was the wrong treatment of the material.

It is a disaster and yes, I think it will impact upon the public's perception of the show, at least for a while. A long while.

You never know, though. It could get the campy "Xanadu"/"39 Steps" treatment and be back among us before you know it.
#23

Will the NINE film affect the musical's reputation?

Other, why is it not entirely fair to criticize the original source material of NINE?
"If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to worry about the answers." Thomas Pynchon, GRAVITY'S RAINBOW "Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away." Philip K. Dick My blog: http://www.roscoewrites.blogspot.com/
#24

Will the NINE film affect the musical's reputation?

Because I felt in this case that the writing and direction were more at fault than the source material itself. Some of the changes were bold but, I think, fatal to the material. The cut songs were needed because they allowed us to get to know Guido as something other than a self-pitying wash-up. (A miscast DD-L didn't help, either, though I think this will not hurt his reputation in the long run.) Turning the songs that survived into flashy numbers and/or fantasies removed much if not all of their dramatic impact.

I think the specific treatment is what undermined this film, not the source material.
#25

Will the NINE film affect the musical's reputation?

Interesting. Thanks. I don't entirely disagree. Marshall & Co. don't want to remake Fellini, but they don't want to make a film of the musical, either, so they just toss a lot of stuff from assorted sources onscreen.

On the other hand, I can't really find all that much of interest in the songs themselves. The lyrics are pretty pedestrian, to my ear: Be Italian, You Rapscallion indeed.
"If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to worry about the answers." Thomas Pynchon, GRAVITY'S RAINBOW "Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away." Philip K. Dick My blog: http://www.roscoewrites.blogspot.com/

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