#26
Posted: 10/5/05 at 5:06pm
even in take me out it felt completely unncessary..it doesnt furtther the plot..although it does poin it up.
#27
Posted: 10/5/05 at 5:09pm
Nudity doesn't have to forward the plot. It is what it is. There's a bit of nudity in the Camelot here in Boston. I hear it was tasteful. If it works for the production, then why not.
~Steven
~Steven
#28
Posted: 10/5/05 at 5:12pm
Dear Kringas.
In response to "is that what your are doing" NO
I sit have to listen to many audience members constantly discuss these issues. Your implication is a blantant attempt to avoid the topic at hand and to be disrespectful. If you want to discuss this like adults then lets but your snide commentary about what i'm doing isnt in very good spirit.
Being naked on stage..not a plot line, not necessary in any way...if you feel you need to be naked onstage to further some story line ...tell what does being naked do to forward that line.
please explain
In response to "is that what your are doing" NO
I sit have to listen to many audience members constantly discuss these issues. Your implication is a blantant attempt to avoid the topic at hand and to be disrespectful. If you want to discuss this like adults then lets but your snide commentary about what i'm doing isnt in very good spirit.
Being naked on stage..not a plot line, not necessary in any way...if you feel you need to be naked onstage to further some story line ...tell what does being naked do to forward that line.
please explain
#30
Posted: 10/5/05 at 5:18pm
I just wonder, do you have problems with nudity in film? Schindler's List? I think it's extremely effective in instances like that. So why not on the stage? What makes it different for the stage is that there's nowhere for the performer to hide. It takes the audience out of their normal comfort level. And that's exactly what nudity on the stage sets out to do. And this is why I love the theatre. No, I didn't mean because of the nudity.
~Steven
~Steven
#31
Posted: 10/5/05 at 5:28pm
i am currently playing prior in AIA and i must say that although im not thrilled to GET nude, i do think of it as art. its not being done for "look, im nude" purposes, its done for "look at what aids is doing to my body. look at the effect of this illness" i think it shows veyr well the physical side of the illness. there are other points where the acting shows the illness but there's so much more to it than just the inner sickness.
""the gays love their presents. just wave something shiny in front of their faces, you can get whatever you want. Thats how we got manhattan from the gay indians" -Karen (W&G)"
#32
Posted: 10/5/05 at 5:39pm
after 25 years of directing i cannot justify nude scenes in either film or stage
your argument that it leaves the performer nowhere to hide i consider an insubstantial argument. the actor should be able to find that "nudity" and vulnerability without taking his/here clothes off. in terms of schindlers list...i cannot comment as i have not seen the film in a very long time and quite frankly remember not liking it. i will however watch it and provide response. but actors should never be left vulnerable on stage in such a way as it causes gawking or staring for the good or the bad.
and finally let me say..everyone is entitled to their own opinion is neither right or wrong just mine..but for others on this site who find it necessary to turn what should be an intellecutal conversation into schoolyard teasing should think twice for what they say.
your argument that it leaves the performer nowhere to hide i consider an insubstantial argument. the actor should be able to find that "nudity" and vulnerability without taking his/here clothes off. in terms of schindlers list...i cannot comment as i have not seen the film in a very long time and quite frankly remember not liking it. i will however watch it and provide response. but actors should never be left vulnerable on stage in such a way as it causes gawking or staring for the good or the bad.
and finally let me say..everyone is entitled to their own opinion is neither right or wrong just mine..but for others on this site who find it necessary to turn what should be an intellecutal conversation into schoolyard teasing should think twice for what they say.
#33
Posted: 10/5/05 at 5:46pm
Dear Avigdor -
In response to "is that what your are doing" NO
You said (and I quote), "i am so ashamed that people cant actually sit down and watch a play or musicalwithout fussing over somoones asss or boobs...god...just sickens me"
I realize you were probably referring to people getting worked up over nudity in salacious manner (ie, "Oh, let's go see Take Me Out so we can look at all the dick"), but made the sweeping generalization that all nudity is the "the lowest common denominator" and have repeatedly implied that all stage nudity is pornographic. Sounds to me like you are also getting fussy about "asss and boobs."
Why are you so ashamed? What is it about the naked human body that sickens you so?
I sit have to listen to many audience members constantly discuss these issues.
I'm not quite sure what this means.
Your implication is a blantant attempt to avoid the topic at hand and to be disrespectful. If you want to discuss this like adults then lets but your snide commentary about what i'm doing isnt in very good spirit.
I don't think I'm being snide, nor was that my intention. If you took it that way, perhaps you should examine why. You should also examine why the thought of a little nudity onstage immediately has your pornography buzzer going on.
Being naked on stage..not a plot line, not necessary in any way...if you feel you need to be naked onstage to further some story line ...tell what does being naked do to forward that line. please explain
Well, as I said earlier, in once instance I was in a play that was a send-up of naked gay plays. The nudity furthered the story line right there.
Or, as dididda as pointed out, the nudity in Angels is there to show the hell that AIDS has wrought on Prior's body.
I don't see how I'm avoiding the topic at hand. You've equated all stage nudity with "pronotgraphy" and I've made an attempt to refute it.
In response to "is that what your are doing" NO
You said (and I quote), "i am so ashamed that people cant actually sit down and watch a play or musicalwithout fussing over somoones asss or boobs...god...just sickens me"
I realize you were probably referring to people getting worked up over nudity in salacious manner (ie, "Oh, let's go see Take Me Out so we can look at all the dick"), but made the sweeping generalization that all nudity is the "the lowest common denominator" and have repeatedly implied that all stage nudity is pornographic. Sounds to me like you are also getting fussy about "asss and boobs."
Why are you so ashamed? What is it about the naked human body that sickens you so?
I sit have to listen to many audience members constantly discuss these issues.
I'm not quite sure what this means.
Your implication is a blantant attempt to avoid the topic at hand and to be disrespectful. If you want to discuss this like adults then lets but your snide commentary about what i'm doing isnt in very good spirit.
I don't think I'm being snide, nor was that my intention. If you took it that way, perhaps you should examine why. You should also examine why the thought of a little nudity onstage immediately has your pornography buzzer going on.
Being naked on stage..not a plot line, not necessary in any way...if you feel you need to be naked onstage to further some story line ...tell what does being naked do to forward that line. please explain
Well, as I said earlier, in once instance I was in a play that was a send-up of naked gay plays. The nudity furthered the story line right there.
Or, as dididda as pointed out, the nudity in Angels is there to show the hell that AIDS has wrought on Prior's body.
I don't see how I'm avoiding the topic at hand. You've equated all stage nudity with "pronotgraphy" and I've made an attempt to refute it.
"How do you like THAT 'misanthropic panache,' Mr. Goldstone?" - PalJoey
Updated On: 10/5/05 at 05:46 PM
#34
Posted: 10/5/05 at 6:14pm
" but actors should never be left vulnerable on stage "
as an actor i strive to have my characters be vulnerable onstage, to be open and honest and let my wall's down. obviously, 99% of the time this happens with clothing on, but there is that 1% when sending a message, showing the character at his or her most vulnerable sometimes meaning being nude.
opinions, indeed. this is mine, i respect yours.
as an actor i strive to have my characters be vulnerable onstage, to be open and honest and let my wall's down. obviously, 99% of the time this happens with clothing on, but there is that 1% when sending a message, showing the character at his or her most vulnerable sometimes meaning being nude.
opinions, indeed. this is mine, i respect yours.
""the gays love their presents. just wave something shiny in front of their faces, you can get whatever you want. Thats how we got manhattan from the gay indians" -Karen (W&G)"
#37
Posted: 10/6/05 at 12:42pm
"How do you like THAT 'misanthropic panache,' Mr. Goldstone?" - PalJoey
Updated On: 10/6/05 at 12:42 PM
#38
Posted: 10/7/05 at 4:46pm
I have to say - I saw this show - naked macbeth - last night - and the nudity isn't all that apparent. just the right amount for some boys. for those less absorbed by such things, nothing offensive. and it does work, somehow. and some good acting, too. 7/10.
Updated On: 10/7/05 at 04:46 PM
#40
Posted: 10/7/05 at 7:46pm
There is nudity in The Elephant Man. John Merrick says that he has never seen a woman's body, and Mrs. Kendal bares her breasts. It's been forever since I've seen the show, but that scene (I thought) was pretty powerful and the nudity was not gratuitous at all.
Just how does one go about PRETENDING to be naked? How could the actress who played Mrs. Kendal have convinced the audience that she was showing her breats when she stayed completely and fully clothed? In my opinion, it would have ruined the integrity of the scene. It would have also taken any power away from John Merrick's awestruck and even reverent response, remarking its beauty. (And I'm a straight female, so I don't get any particular pleasure in seeing breats.)
Nudity CAN be relevant, used tastefully, etc. That doesn't mean it always is. But to say that it should never be used on stage is ridiculous.
Just how does one go about PRETENDING to be naked? How could the actress who played Mrs. Kendal have convinced the audience that she was showing her breats when she stayed completely and fully clothed? In my opinion, it would have ruined the integrity of the scene. It would have also taken any power away from John Merrick's awestruck and even reverent response, remarking its beauty. (And I'm a straight female, so I don't get any particular pleasure in seeing breats.)
Nudity CAN be relevant, used tastefully, etc. That doesn't mean it always is. But to say that it should never be used on stage is ridiculous.
"I mean, how many of us could honestly say that at one time or another he hasn't set fire to some great public building?"
#41
Posted: 10/7/05 at 8:12pm
there is LOADS of nudity in Frankie and Johnny, full frontal, if I'm correct. it however fits in with the show very well.
#42
Posted: 10/7/05 at 8:16pm
The only live scene I've ever seen with nudity on stage is and probably will remain one of the most frightening, powerful, impactful scenes I've ever seen. It was tasteful, realistic, and artistic, and did just what was needed to drive the immediacy, seriousness and harshness of the issue at hand straight through my heart. I was drawn in to watch that scene with my full attention not because I felt like "OMG NAKED MAN!!" I watched, because... because it was just like "BAM." Everything about that scene was so real -- down to the nudity. It was like a real medical examination, nothing held back. And it all drew you in so sharply and so quickly that... you just had to watch. Based on that experience, I think it can absolutely enhance a scene when done correctly. It's a part of the art.
A work of art is an invitation to love.
Updated On: 10/7/05 at 08:16 PM
#43
Posted: 10/7/05 at 9:12pm
what show was it, Em?
BTW, can't forget to add the Mrs. Robinson nude scene in The Graduate and the Dracula nudity.
BTW, can't forget to add the Mrs. Robinson nude scene in The Graduate and the Dracula nudity.
#44
Posted: 10/7/05 at 9:18pm
It was The Normal Heart.
A work of art is an invitation to love.
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