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[Rathnait62]

Posted: 2/12/05 at 5:41pm

I agree - so she shouldn't make an issue of it at all. Just keep your private life private - don't outright lie. And that's what she did with the Tom Cruise thing. Yes, those of us in theater knew otherwise, knew who her g/f was at the time even...which made it all the more insulting to me, anyway, as a fellow lesbian. I prefer the Jodie Fosters of the world. We don't know if she's gay or not - and we don't care because she doesn't make an issue of it.

[apdarcey]

Posted: 2/12/05 at 5:47pm

so you can never say when you think a man is attractive simply because YOU choose to define yourself as a lesbian?

[InfiniteTheaterFrenzy]

Posted: 2/12/05 at 5:50pm

I adore Rosie. I loved her show. She's done much for the theater community.
I agree that her sexual preference doesn't matter. I could care less.

[Rathnait62]

Posted: 2/12/05 at 5:55pm

I don't have a TV show, so it wouldn't matter who I said I found attractive. But she did a bit more than that, if we all remember. It was an obsession with her. Way way way over the top - gay or straight. The fact that she used it as a smokescreen is what bothered me and lots of others. Those of us who believed she could have done a world of good for many teens out there whose mothers loved Rosie the talk show host, and perhaps would have been a bit more open to their gay child if they knew someone as identifiable as Rosie was gay. And I must tell you - I was a huge Rosie fan for many years and was thrilled when she got her own show. She eventually turned me off all on her own.

And as far as putting her in a movie musical - only if her singing is dubbed.

[Becky]

Posted: 2/12/05 at 5:58pm

don't outright lie. And that's what she did with the Tom Cruise thing.

That's a matter of interpretation. I don't feel like there was a lie there at all. People can "crush" over those of the opposite sex. It was a fun bit on her show, and in my eyes, completely innocent.

[Timmerbo]

Posted: 2/12/05 at 6:01pm

I'm not pissed off at Rosie for lying. I am pissed off that she now tries to make it seem as if she wasn't lying with the whole Tom obsession thing. Because while I appreciate that a person can appreciate the asthetics of a member of the gender they aren't as a rule attracted to, to go on about that particular person on practically every episode to portray a false image of yourself is just stupid.

Not wanting people to know you're a lesbian is one thing, going out of your way to come off as straight, and then deny that you ever did that, is something very different.

[munkustrap178]

Posted: 2/12/05 at 6:02pm

There is absolutely no reason for some people on here to have such a harsh hatred for her. I think she's an incredible woman who stands up for what she believes in, shamelessly supports theatre, financially supports dozens of foundations, and has a brilliant head on her shoulders. I had the pleasure of meeting her several times - and she was always very warm, generous, kind, and loving. Whenever I was with her, their seemed to be a force field of warmness around her. Yes, she's changed her hairstyle, stopped wearing makeup and actually started to speak her mind about certain issues - so if those are grounds for people to hate her, then I must be mistaken. I have been a fan since I was a litte kid, and what her TV show provided me with was far more beneficial than anything I was learning in school at the time. She is still a role model of mine, and she continues to inspire me and make me laugh. She's an amazing wonderful woman who I always look up to.

iluvtheatretrash: "she's arrogant and curses like a truck driver - I have lost all respect for her."

Exactly how has she been arrogant to you? I didn't think that woman was capable of such a harsh accusation, but if she was personally arrogant and nasty specifically to you, then I'm wrong, but I'd like to know your reasoning behind thinking she's arrogant. And curses like a truck driver? Please. She doesn't have the mouth of a nun, but you're making her sound like Colin Farrell. I've never heard anything offensive or terrible come out of her mouth. I'd like to know where you get that from as well.

[iluvtheatertrash]

Posted: 2/12/05 at 6:04pm

I met Rosie first at Jones Beach for an Alanis Morissette concert. It was before she'd come out and I was pretty young and looked up to her almost as much as I've idolized Whoopi Goldberg and Meryl Streep in the years. I called her name and yelled, "I love your show! I watch it everyday!" Her response: the middle finger.

Later, I sat next to her and Kelli at TABOO. Kelli was a sweetheart, quite possibly one of the nicest women I've ever encountered. Rosie stood up when someone asked why the show was closing and said, "Some pieces of sh*t are suing me. That's the only f*cking reason." Not only was Kelli there, but so were two of their children.

She proceeded to curse several times and when I told her that her coming out did a lot of good for people my age and helped us to come out. Her response: "Yeah, I know."

I don't have respect for a woman like that. I'm sorry.

Posted: 2/12/05 at 6:06pm

OH PLEASE! (And that Please has six syllables: Puh-lee-ee-ee-ee-ease!)

Rosie O'Donnell chose to go on her show and lie, lies of both omission and commission, day after day after day. She of course has the right to do so. To pretend that she is lusting after Tom Cruise. To pretend that she is a heterosexual. To say things and do things that reassure mid-america that she is just good ol' Rosie who hasn't found the right man. And I have the right to say that watching that little charade made me want to puke. She talked so much crap about wanting to set a good example for the kids. What a shame kids didn't have the example of an out proud Lesbian. Oh well. I hope Rosie enjoyed coming home to her girlfriend after slinging that Tom Cruise crap all day.

[Becky]

Posted: 2/12/05 at 6:09pm

I'm not pissed off at Rosie for lying. I am pissed off that she now tries to make it seem as if she wasn't lying with the whole Tom obsession thing.

Think of the whole Tom thing from a professional stand point. People loved that bit. Not in a "Rosie must be straight" kind of way, but it was funny. The
"Tommy can you hear me" track on her audio board cracked me up every time. The *Tom Cruise show* when he finally came on got a lot of press, and the bits she threw in on a daily basis re: Tom were eaten up by the audience. You don't think any of that was a little smart on the part of a woman trying to make the show successful? You don't think any of that might have been a little overboard on purpose for the sake of the show and ratings? Is it that impossible to believe that it was a successful "bit" and not a "smokescreen" that was the motivation? I would argue that at the very least it's a possibility. Updated On: 2/12/05 at 06:09 PM

Posted: 2/12/05 at 6:44pm

If I recall correctly, she was equally as effusive about Bette Midler. Why is it a smokescreen with Mr. Cruise, but not an open admission of her lust for an older woman with Ms. Midler?

[Liam]

Posted: 2/12/05 at 6:47pm

i love your new icon DG!

[perfusion]

Posted: 2/12/05 at 6:48pm

Rosie rocks,she did so much for broadway & broadway performers by having them on her show .Before Rosie the last time broadway performers appeared on t.v. on a regular basis was the Ed Sullivan show.
I have had the pleasure of meeting her on several occasions & she was nothing but sweet.

Updated On: 2/14/05 at 06:48 PM

[munkustrap178]

Posted: 2/12/05 at 6:55pm

Well then you did have a horrid experience with her.

Rosie never "pretended to be straight" on her show. She never denied rumors of being gay - that would be pretending to be straight. The whole Tom Cruise thing was an ongoing joke on the show and it was obvious that it wasn't a sexual attraction, but I don't think she ever discribed him as anything other than "a cutie patootie." Come on - she wasn't out of the closet, but she never pretended to be anything other than what she was. If you dislike her because she wasn't out of the closet while she was on her show, then you need a wake up call.

[Mimi Imfurst]

Posted: 2/12/05 at 7:21pm

Honestly, if she had been out and proud as a role model for lesbians in middle america, she never would have gotten to the place that she did. we live in a heterosexist world. A world that does not tollerate, let alone celebrate queer folk in the same way that it worships heterosexuality. I am sorry folks, the world is tough... there are plenty of queer celebrities out there who are in the closet. MANY. Many of whom lie about relationships to cover themselves, to get ahead. People would assume hollywood would be pretty open minded, and yes- the industry may be, but america isnt. We live in a world where we're quick to even pull a cartoon because some looser proclaims that the character is gay. If we can't even deal with cartoons being gay do you think we could deal with a living, breathing, human? Rosie did alot. She used her coming out story to help someeone. To help a family. She brought broadway on her show. A little story if you will. Rosie fought the grain. Her producers wouldnt let her have on certain musicals if they had gay over tones. For instance, the producers wouldn't let her have Hedwig on her show. John told me that when they told her this, she said its either Hedwig or Me. If Hedwig doesnt go on, I don't. She clearly did a lot. She brought broadway to middle america. She raised the ratings and brought the Tonys to a regonizedable force.

Now as far as hiding it. She actually came out YEARS before her public announcement.....If people were listening. The year she hosted the Tonys with LANE she had this little bit where they were talking about True West and switching parts and Rosie said, lets pretend I'm you and you pretend your me. And Rosie as Nathan said "Hey I like your beard" and he (as rosie) replied "I like yours too" It was so brief and quick no one caught on. There are plenty of actors out ther who wont come out and we all know they are gay... hello sean hayes anyone... not to mention the other countless queers hiding behind hollywoods doors....Kevin Spacey, Elijah Woods, Tobey Maguire, Carson Daily, Keano Reaves...And yes, so what... maybe their sexuality isnt my business, but u know what?! Its not bad for someone to assume ur gay is it? Personally I think its fabulous. Why must we hide our sexuality in this god damn country. I'm tired of people's repressed expression of sexuality. Its normal... If we didnt do it, we'd wipe ourselves out. I'm tired of Sex being so Taboo.. SEX SEX SEX SEX SEX JANET JACKSON'S BOOB SEX SEX SEX...

As far as Taboo- I'm sorry but the show was good. People were quick to trash it. Well I'm sorry, but there was WORSE crap on broadway last season. It boggles my mind that boy from the craphole ran for as long as it did. Taboo had a standard book, a FANASTIC score, and the best actors/singers on stage. (exluding george on that one) People were quick to trash it, ignore it, talk crap about it all because they had some sort of vengence towards rosie. I'm sure her scandel with the magazine had something to do with it, but the reality is- its her magazine and she can do whatever she wants. Its her name- not theres. She saved McCalls from failure anyhow. One little prissy as queen told me that he "thought taboo was a horrible disaster, anyhow..." and i said well why he said "because i dont like rosie" Well u know what folks SHES NOT IN THE SHOW! She just put up her money.

I'm sorry folks, Rosie is a passionate woman with a lot of drive. She believes in her projects, she puts her soul into them.. Money is not an object. She believed in Taboo, She believed in her Career. So maybe she was rude or harsh or abrassive....does that mean that she's a horrible person. EVERYONE has a bad day. She keeps her eyes on the prize....Sometimes to do what you want, you've got to sacrifice something else.

Updated On: 2/12/05 at 07:21 PM

[CapnHook]

Posted: 2/12/05 at 9:20pm

"Her response: the middle finger."

Perhaps this is when she cut her finger carving a pumpkin? If not - perhaps it wasn't her, just a person being mistaken for her repeatedly? If not - then I have nothing to say. I can't imagine that being a response. Bad mood, maybe.

Anyway, about the Tom Cruise thang:

Oh. My. God. If you PERCEIVED the Tom Cruise crush to be a cover-up, then its YOUR problem. Not only was she equally entralled about Bette Midler, she was DEVOTED to Barbra Streisand! She never said she was straight, and she never said she was gay. Did she make a big huge announcement saying she was gay? No! The tabloids and press made it a big story. THEN and ONLY THEN did people care. They never cared before. And Rosie DID keep it to her self and didn't publicize it. Not until the MEDIA make it a big hoopla did she address the issue on her show. And what did she do? She aired home movies of her and her partner. She promoted her being a lesbian.

She curses in front of her kids? OK, I'll buy that. I can easily imagine that. BUT SO F*CKING WHAT??? MANY non-celebrities do that. MANY celebrities do that, too. Rosie isn't alone. And she used the language to strengthen her opinion of an issue.

Who the hell cares WHAT her sexual orientation is? Who the hell CARES if she curses in front of her kids. That is Rosie. But more importantly, Rosie - this woman - did (and does) promoted Broadway. She expressed her opinion on issues. She made people laugh. She made America a happier place.

It saddens me. The Media destroyed the way people see her. And when her magazine failed, and she got into that lawsuit, the media stayed with it - because she was a 'hot' subject in the news. And she fought for her magazine - and the media was there with their cameras and caught this fight. And it looked like she was being a savage. But she wasn't. She was fighting. An injustice occured, and she wanted to correct it.

[Feathah]

Posted: 2/12/05 at 9:35pm

I'm not particularly a fan of hers and whether or not she is a nice person doesn't concern me much. I do miss her show and she has done a lot for Broadway. I loved Taboo.

The bashing of her alleged straight-acting or whatever is disturbing though. It's hard to come out when you *aren't* famous. Now imagine you are in the living rooms of most of middle America with a daily hit show and you are truly famous and well-off for the first time in your life. Now what? It's easy to call her coward and throw stones. But imagine how tough it must have been.

Posted: 2/12/05 at 9:54pm

"But imagine how tough it must have been. "

And imagine how tough it will continue to be until people stop with the whole "America won't accept us if we're honestly homo!" crap. Again, I will point to Ellen Degeneres: Lesbian and on TV every damn day. It's only hard if you make it so.

And if we're going to talk about Broadway on TV, let's hear it for David Letterman. I don't hear anyone cannonizing him and he has Broadway folk on all the time.

[BlueWizard]

Posted: 2/12/05 at 10:54pm

That's assuming Ellen would have gotten a talkshow had Rosie not had a successful one first and had come out near the end of its run. I believe that Rosie really blazed the trail for Ellen.

As it is her personal life, I don't think Rosie was obligated to be forthcoming about her sexuality at any time. I do think it was incredibly difficult for her, and I admire her courage and selflessness in coming out to America to help two gay dads keep their son. I don't hold the Tom Cruise thing against her in any way. As long as she wasn't spouting homophobic comments on TV, it was fine by me.

[Rathnait62]

Posted: 2/12/05 at 11:00pm

Ellen came out before Rosie - she's the trailblazer there.

[BlueWizard]

Posted: 2/12/05 at 11:03pm

I meant Rosie was the trailblazer in being an out lesbian talk-show host and still have people tune in. Since there was no major backlash against Rosie being gay, it probably gave networks precedence in allowing Ellen a show.

Again, anyone who does all that charity work is good by me, no matter how much she says she likes Tom Cruise.

[melissa errico fan]

Posted: 2/12/05 at 11:05pm

Speaking of Ellen, I was recently wondering: Is Portia de Rossi a lesbian or just bisexual?

[Rathnait62]

Posted: 2/12/05 at 11:07pm

m.e.f. - as long as she's not an Anne Heche...

[melissa errico fan]

Posted: 2/12/05 at 11:08pm

Anne Heche...yum!

[Rathnait62]

Posted: 2/12/05 at 11:10pm

LOL! Actually I find Ellen pretty yum myself. Cute AND funny. Nice eyes too...