Sony and Columbus appear to have put RENT through the anti-gay shredder- Page 3

[mygfdontliveincanada]

Posted: 11/2/05 at 9:49pm

Screw the "homophobes heart lesbians" speech. I'm waiting for him to tell us the world is flat (much like his arguements).

[art2]

Posted: 11/2/05 at 9:49pm

JerseyGirl2,

But is Angel out of drag when and if he kisses Collins?? I suspect not. I wouldn't be surprised if it was a stipulation of Sony's that the men mustn't be shown kissing each other if Angel wasn't in drag. As for the female homosexual couple, they are never in drag in the stage production so your point is really quite irrelevant.

[MrMidwest]

Posted: 11/2/05 at 9:54pm

art, aren't you ever a little embarrassed when it's so obvious that you're not very familiar with RENT even though you seem to try to act like you are?

[JerseyGirl2]

Posted: 11/2/05 at 9:56pm

No, my point is that YOU claimed that they are making a homophobic production which they clearly aren't. Why don't you save your bitching until you SEE the film. This entire thread is quite irrelevant.

[Pinguin]

Posted: 11/2/05 at 10:09pm

'nuff said.


(those of you with a good memory will understand)

Updated On: 11/2/05 at 10:09 PM

[YessicaB]

Posted: 11/2/05 at 10:10pm

Hey art2,
I know you're just a bit insane (from your previous posts), but I was wondering how you came up with the conclusion that a man dressed in drag kissing another man or two women getting married would be less offensive too conservative, homophobic, or whatever else people than a man kissing a man. I just don't understand your point. Aren't all those things equally bad in their book, and wouldn't someone who is homophobic never put any of these things in a movie unless they are critisizing it?

[JerseyGirl2]

Posted: 11/2/05 at 10:11pm

I was thinking that exactly Yessica.

[Pinguin]

Posted: 11/2/05 at 10:14pm

https://forum.broadwayworld.com/readmessage.cfm?boardname=bway&thread=864405

(for those of you who need to catch up on this ridiculous debate with this ridiculous person)

[YessicaB]

Posted: 11/2/05 at 10:16pm

Well I hope I'll get a response, I'd like to understand where he's coming from, and if he has considered these things.

[Pinguin]

Posted: 11/2/05 at 10:18pm

Good luck.



trust me, you'll need it.

Updated On: 11/2/05 at 10:18 PM

[YessicaB]

Posted: 11/2/05 at 10:21pm

For me Pinguin? Thanks.
Let's see if it helps.

[Pinguin]

Posted: 11/2/05 at 10:22pm

HAHA...we can only hope...

I do love the creativity of the subject line, though...anti-gay shredder...I'm glad someone else picked up on how funny that was...good job EverythingisRENT :0)

[YessicaB]

Posted: 11/2/05 at 10:26pm

*threadjack while I'm waiting for art* Pinguin what made you choose your name (with that spelling)? Just wondering, cause I'm German and that's how we'd spell it.

[art2]

Posted: 11/2/05 at 10:31pm

Yessica,

You fail to understand the dynamics of modern-day liberalism and movie studio politics. To the executives, male-male affection is more offensive than female-female affection or male-female affection. To the executives, the shock impact of male-male affection can be ameliorated by ensuring that one of the parties is dressed as a woman.

[Michael Bennett]

Posted: 11/2/05 at 10:34pm

I dont get this? Art2 what exactly would you have liked for Sony/Columbs to have done with the material? It sounds like you wouldn't have been happy unless they showed male on male penetration.

[JerseyGirl2]

Posted: 11/2/05 at 10:38pm

So, were you wanting them to throw out the fact that Angel is, in fact, a drag queen? I am really confused.

[YessicaB]

Posted: 11/2/05 at 10:40pm

"You fail to understand the dynamics of modern-day liberalism and movie studio politics. To the executives, male-male affection is more offensive than female-female affection or male-female affection. To the executives, the shock impact of male-male affection can be ameliorated by ensuring that one of the parties is dressed as a woman."

- Did the "executives" tell you that? Apart from your argument being absolutely ridiculous in itself, I was wondering if you had considered that the play was written with Angel as a dragqueen? Do you suggest Colombus should have changed that element of the show to make it less of offensive to you?

[Pinguin]

Posted: 11/2/05 at 10:44pm

(see why ya need the luck, Yessica?)


:0)

Seriously, check out that old thread. It's HILARIOUS.

[YouWantitWhen????]

Posted: 11/2/05 at 10:44pm

Is this when the term libido liberals gets thrown around again.

Ahhh Pinguin, ah yes, I remember it well.

That is when I was first introduced to you and Patronus.

Art2 has at least done something worthwhile via this thread.

I also think my avatar was an homage to to the Penguin kissing scene Art2 encouraged.

[ljay889]

Posted: 11/2/05 at 10:44pm

This is getting old and ridiculous.

If you want to get off on guys kissing, go get some porn!

[orangeskittles]

Posted: 11/2/05 at 10:45pm

Oh, I highly agree about the last thread. What was that term he called everyone? Horny liberals?

Updated On: 11/2/05 at 10:45 PM

[MrMidwest]

Posted: 11/2/05 at 10:46pm

As much as I find art annoying and I don't agree with him, I find that to be kind of a oversimplification of the argument ljay.

If you're gay, I'd say it's a pretty natural thing to want to see gay relationships reflected in art and feel like you're really a part of society.

Updated On: 11/3/05 at 10:46 PM

[YouWantitWhen????]

Posted: 11/2/05 at 10:47pm

LIBIDO LIBERALS

Repeat after me . . .

We are all libido liberals.

As per one of Art2's old messages from September:

"Patronus,

I would like to claim credit for coining the expression "libido liberal". I use it to deride phony liberals whose liberalism extends only to those things that tweak the libido. In relation to the same-sex issue, there are tons and tons of libido liberals who profess support for gay rights but then recoil from the notion of male-male affection. These people need to be exposed wherever they may be.

As for the RENT movie, I'm still pretty downbeat about the prospect for an honest and romantic portrayal of the male-male relationship. Columbus appears to have invested most of his energies into playing up the male-female and female-female aspects. If that's the case, shame on him."


Updated On: 11/2/05 at 10:47 PM

[Pinguin]

Posted: 11/2/05 at 10:48pm

LIBIDO LIBERALS.

(oh YWIW...I even still keep you in my sig file, hehe)

[YouWantitWhen????]

Posted: 11/2/05 at 10:50pm

Where's Patronus when you need him?