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Abercrombie T-Shirts Promote Male Sluttage
#125abercrombie t-shirts promote male sluttage
Posted: 1/4/07 at 7:16pmThank you, MLE. The thing is, and I know I use the word "society" a lot, but it's just another example of the way that society, and a lot of times men, are telling women and girls what they should do, think, and wear. It's fine if they want to choose to wear the shirts, but it's not necessarily just their own decision making that's choosing the shirts. THere are outside influences. A pressure for men to like them. A pressure to look cool, which nowadays frequently means looking like you're ready to dance around a pole. It's part of the culture.
#126abercrombie t-shirts promote male sluttage
Posted: 1/4/07 at 7:18pmThankfully, we have people like you, Geek, looking out for us.
etoile
Broadway Legend Joined: 8/2/03
#127abercrombie t-shirts promote male sluttage
Posted: 1/4/07 at 7:25pmFW, I thought you did hold it against him. Isn't that how you got Zelda the car?
#128abercrombie t-shirts promote male sluttage
Posted: 1/4/07 at 7:25pmignoring the thread bickering, I just love how the title of this thread implies that males need anyone to encourage thoughts of sex...
#129abercrombie t-shirts promote male sluttage
Posted: 1/4/07 at 7:26pm
Well, i'mm doing my damnedest MYB. Thank you so much for your appreciation.
I was being sarcastic, as were you. but it is a good thing that there are people who can start discussions like this one. There is a place where change can start, and it starts with passion and discussion. I can see your side of the story, I hope you can see mine.
#130abercrombie t-shirts promote male sluttage
Posted: 1/4/07 at 7:28pm
Actually, you little bitch, my Mercedes-Benz was given to me by a man in Dallas.
But that's none of your business.
#133abercrombie t-shirts promote male sluttage
Posted: 1/4/07 at 7:31pm
to try to contribute to the actual issue posed in the thread, the actual problem is not the t-shirts...
it's the confusion between t-shirts and other sexualizing media influences and the lack of education/understanding about sex and sexuality imparted to young people due to the American public's squeamishness with the subject.
etoile
Broadway Legend Joined: 8/2/03
#134abercrombie t-shirts promote male sluttage
Posted: 1/4/07 at 7:31pmGiveth and taken away due to sluttage behavior perhaps? And you must have forgotten the part where you allowed it to be all our business.
#137abercrombie t-shirts promote male sluttage
Posted: 1/4/07 at 7:37pm
But they apparently don't shower and get dumped a lot.
#138abercrombie t-shirts promote male sluttage
Posted: 1/4/07 at 7:50pm
but i thnk it was, at the time, a need to fit in...
hence the point of the hypocrisy. it's ok for you to do things that demeaned you in order to fit in, but not for others to do so. i think maybe instead of trying to save the world maybe you ought to look in the mirror and realize that it's possible that not every female member of the human race suffers from your evident need to do whatever it takes to please whoever you happen to be around. how about you start telling the world what to do when you've dealt with your own issues there, tramp-o-rama?
...global warming can manifest itself as heat, cool, precipitation, storms, drought, wind, or any other phenomenon, much like a shapeshifter. -- jim geraghty
pray to st. jude
i'm a sonic reducer
he was the gimmicky sort
fenchurch=mejusthavingfun=magwildwood=mmousefan=bkcollector=bradmajors=somethingtotalkabout: the fenchurch mpd collective
#139abercrombie t-shirts promote male sluttage
Posted: 1/4/07 at 7:55pm
I'm about a big of a proponent of free speech as you can get. That's not it. I'm all for the free expression of sexuality. However, that’s not what we’re talking about here. These messages are demeaning. Remember a couple years ago when A&F pulled shirts because many in the Asian community found them offensive? They just shouldn’t have bought them, right?
Wouldn’t that be great if it were that easy?
Just because someone isn’t holding a gun to your head doesn’t mean you aren’t “forced” in one way or another.
I am always fascinated by how quickly people rush to defend corporations. Anytime anyone asks for a little consideration and responsibility from them, there's an outcry. Why? Come on people. They’re not hurting, and they’re not dumb either. They say they market to college students, but they KNOW high school students are their biggest buyers. Do you think they sit around their big, boardroom meeting tables going, “Oh no, high schoolers just keep shopping at our stores! No matter what we do, they just keep coming! What are we doing wrong?” They’re not victims in any sense here.
What I like about BWW is that there are a lot of very intelligent, logically thinking, clever posters here. However, we’re talking about high school society, since when do any of those things apply to high school life? You’re not seeing the forest for the trees. Sure, the 20something man might wear one of these shirts and look like a tool, that’s not the problem.
I’m a freshman in college and had a relatively easy high school experience; I didn’t suffer from the viciousness of “queen bees” as some of my friends did. However, I’m still pretty sensitive to these issues. These shirts are thought of as cool. Sure, you don’t have to wear them, but is it worth the torment you might receive for not doing so? Today, promiscuity, real or implied, (along with good looks) is what it takes to reach the top of the social ladder. So, either be cast out or give in and wear things that you, yourself, may disprove of. There is, in a sense, a captive market for these clothes.
Is it really wrong to ask that clothing companies like A&F not completely exploit these circumstances?
#140abercrombie t-shirts promote male sluttage
Posted: 1/4/07 at 8:32pm
Firstly Papa, if you insult me like that again I will report you. I have no hesitation to do so. Secondly, I have already admitted that I regretted what I said last August. I also said several times that I have seen the effects of this societal flaw of myself. I had ammended that since then (You've seen me make no further in appropriate jokes since) and realized that I can't let that sort of pressure fall onto myself. I was trying to prove my own point by saying that I was trying to fit in.
And I never said that every female member of the human race felt the need to please whoever they are around. But isn't it common for teenagers to feel that way? There is a very basic lack of self-esteem in many teenage girls, including myself. i'm not afraid to say so, and I think that owning up to that has made me a stronger person.
By the way, SOMMS, I own that "I <3 My Geek" T-shirt. My ex bought it for my on our first Valentine's Day together.
FindingNamo
Broadway Legend Joined: 7/22/03
#141abercrombie t-shirts promote male sluttage
Posted: 1/4/07 at 8:53pm
Perfect design for a t-shirt, quick, somebody call Don't Panic:
My Man in Dallas took my Zelda Back
and all I got was this slightly dirty t-shirt...
p.s. aren't these jeans awesome, I have to wear
underwear because of all the holes they came with!
#142abercrombie t-shirts promote male sluttage
Posted: 1/4/07 at 9:14pmWhere the hell are all these people that do stuff based on what t-shirts say they should do? Does anyone seriously know ANYONE who looks at a suggestive t-shirt and says "Hmm, good idea, I think I *will* engage in sexual hijinks so guys will like me!"
#143abercrombie t-shirts promote male sluttage
Posted: 1/4/07 at 10:12pm
firstly papa, if you insult me like that again i will report you.
tramp-o-rama, tramp-o-rama, iheartmygeek is a tramp-o-rama!
rose, i've been trying for two pages to get her to tell me where these damn people are. seems like it would be my kinda place. i could where my "iheartmygeek is a tramp-o-rama and must be destroyed" t-shirt and a legion of scantily clad zombie sluts susceptible to whatever they see on a t-**** would head out with torches and pitchforks in search of the green dress wearing one. hell, i could wear my "papalovesmambo is a god and you must obey his every command" and just pretty much take over america. where's that damn cafepress url?
...global warming can manifest itself as heat, cool, precipitation, storms, drought, wind, or any other phenomenon, much like a shapeshifter. -- jim geraghty
pray to st. jude
i'm a sonic reducer
he was the gimmicky sort
fenchurch=mejusthavingfun=magwildwood=mmousefan=bkcollector=bradmajors=somethingtotalkabout: the fenchurch mpd collective
#144abercrombie t-shirts promote male sluttage
Posted: 1/4/07 at 10:44pm
Maybe you should come here, Papa. Because I have seen it happen. not all the time, but sometimes. And it's not that the girls DO what the T-shirts say, it's that the guys believe that they do. That, in itself, is harmful.
BroadwayGirl107
Broadway Legend Joined: 8/26/03
#145abercrombie t-shirts promote male sluttage
Posted: 1/4/07 at 11:52pm
I have to comments on a few things said here:
"So, all advertising "tells people what to think?" No one has to buy this stuff if they don't like it"
This seems incredibly naive to me. Of COURSE advertising doesn't TELL people what to think, but how can you not see what effect it has on conditioning people's--especially young people's--minds? Do you really think advertising has no influence?
"It's not for A&F to tell young people how to think."
Which is why A&F is not required attire. Individuals who don't want to make that statement do not need to purchase those items.
...Yet, when anyone purchases such a shirt and wears it, some (well, more than some, unfortunately) give in like it IS the way to think, whether or not they temselves are wearing the shirt. High school kids--and, more and more now, college kids--are extremely insecure and therefore extremely impressionable. If someone who gets a lot of attention and has a lot of friends wears a shirt like this, it makes others who are less popular think they have to carry that attitude in order to get attention. Surely you're aware of the fact that this does happen in high schools frighteningly often.
Where the hell are all these people that do stuff based on what t-shirts say they should do? Does anyone seriously know ANYONE who looks at a suggestive t-shirt and says "Hmm, good idea, I think I *will* engage in sexual hijinks so guys will like me!"
That's not entirely the point. ONE t-shirt is not going to instill that attitude in a young girl, but when young people in this country are bombarded with similar messages day after day, yes, they will. And they do. You can argue that these t-shirts are the small work of one clothing company, but MOST of the stuff that has this effect on younger generations is just a bunch of small stuff. The garbage adds up.
Updated On: 1/4/07 at 11:52 PM
#146abercrombie t-shirts promote male sluttage
Posted: 1/4/07 at 11:58pm
"it's that the guys believe that they do."
Hardly, guys my age and at my school (late teens, early twenties) just think those shirts are funny, nothing more (even if their sense of humor is tasteless). They know if a girl is wearing one of those shirts, it's more for laughs than anything else. Frankly, you'd have to be stupid to believe that those shirts cause guys to believe that girls do what the shirts say because it's just a t-shirt.
#147abercrombie t-shirts promote male sluttage
Posted: 1/5/07 at 12:10am
BroadwayGirl, I have to disagree with you. I was not popular throughout school, and I saw what the popular girls were wearing and hearing about he things they did (and the people they did), and it didn't make me want to act likewise to be like them. In fact, it kind of disgusted me.
Nor have ads had an effect on me. I don't buy something because some stick-thin model is hawking it, I don't believe that alcohol makes you more glamorous, and frankly, I don't know a single person who does think like that.
BroadwayGirl107
Broadway Legend Joined: 8/26/03
#148abercrombie t-shirts promote male sluttage
Posted: 1/5/07 at 12:21am
Well, when I was in high school, I was very much the same as you. But to deny that it effects others is incredibly naive. You are (were) not every teenager. Others react differently; others have a different process of growing. Just because it doesn't nudge you in the wrong direction certainly doesn't mean it doesn't do that to others.
#149abercrombie t-shirts promote male sluttage
Posted: 1/5/07 at 12:26amHow many people do you know who are being negatively affected by advertising and t-shirts? Because I know exactly zero.
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