Andrew 'Dice' Clay
Andrew 'Dice' Clay
Cruel_Sandwich
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#1Andrew 'Dice' Clay
Posted: 8/8/07 at 8:59pm
Discuss.
I ultimately think he was an interesting idea that was poorly executed. His basic aim was to create a character so thoroughly hateful and mean-spirited to see if anyone would still laugh. He even went further and wasn't really trying to cloud his "true self", in essence making the audience believe that HE was the character. He never made it clear that he was just playing a character.
The flaw was that he wasn't really that funny. So...I mean...
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#2re: Andrew 'Dice' Clay
Posted: 8/8/07 at 9:40pm
He was never playing a character. He was always a hateful, racist, sexist, homophobic piece of crap.
Even in his "Acting" roles, he 'played' Dice. Even if this theory was true, his audience was never, for an instant, in on the "joke." You might as well say Idi Amin was merely "playing" the role of a cannabalistic insane dictator.
#2re: Andrew 'Dice' Clay
Posted: 8/8/07 at 11:06pmI never found him funny, only offensive.
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#3re: Andrew 'Dice' Clay
Posted: 8/8/07 at 11:49pmNot funny. Period.
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#4re: Andrew 'Dice' Clay
Posted: 8/9/07 at 10:36amI despise him. And I agree with, Joe. It was never a character.
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blueroses
Broadway Legend Joined: 10/18/04
#6re: Andrew 'Dice' Clay
Posted: 8/9/07 at 10:40am
sorry, not going with you on this one, Cruel. If you want a funny, hateful character, you want Kaufman. Not this piece of fat ****.
interesting how he still inspires this much hate, 10 years after his carreer went down the toilet.
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#7re: Andrew 'Dice' Clay
Posted: 8/9/07 at 10:56amHe was never able to propel the character. Same old routine. Now a washed up hack.
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#8re: Andrew 'Dice' Clay
Posted: 8/9/07 at 10:57amThe only thing I found offensive about him, was that he was never funny.
Cruel_Sandwich
Broadway Legend Joined: 6/30/05
#9re: Andrew 'Dice' Clay
Posted: 8/9/07 at 12:39pmAre you sure that all of that were his own opinions and thoughts? All comics create personas and characters to perform in, but all of them let you in on the joke. Clay never did that.
#10re: Andrew 'Dice' Clay
Posted: 8/9/07 at 12:42pmCount me in as one of the never found him funny.
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#11re: Andrew 'Dice' Clay
Posted: 8/9/07 at 1:36pmI never found him funny either, but I worked with him on one of his many failed sitcoms and he couldn't have been a nicer person to deal with. I'm a very "out" gay man and he was never disrespectful or homophobic in any way. I agree with you Cruel, it was a very poorly executed character that just wasn't funny.
blueroses
Broadway Legend Joined: 10/18/04
#12re: Andrew 'Dice' Clay
Posted: 8/9/07 at 1:58pm
Pippin--I agree with you re: the Kaufman character.
Dice may have just been a character. That never really bothered me. He has the freedom to say what he wants and people have the right to enjoy him. What I hated--and what was so apparent if you ever viewed his HBO special (s)--is that his audience members were NOT playing a role! Ugh. It's not like they were "in" on the joke...you could tell that a good amount of his devotees were trashy, homophobic and sexist and they were eating up all the sh-t he was feeding them.
#13re: Andrew 'Dice' Clay
Posted: 8/9/07 at 2:00pm
blueroses, I have the same issue with Larry the Cable Guy (not his real name).
Updated On: 8/9/07 at 02:00 PM
#14re: Andrew 'Dice' Clay
Posted: 8/9/07 at 2:06pmBlueroses, I totally agree with you. The joke was so poorly executed that it seemed to give license to that kind of thinking. And...he wasn't very good at trying to explain that to all the crazy, racist, homophobic, sexist, inbred freeks who enjoy that sort of thing.
blueroses
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#15re: Andrew 'Dice' Clay
Posted: 8/9/07 at 2:11pm
Calvin, I never heard of Larry the Cable Guy! I'll look him up on youtube when I get home.
Dice was good with impersonations...I'll give him that much (Travolta, Pacino, etc.).
#16re: Andrew 'Dice' Clay
Posted: 8/9/07 at 2:14pmNo, don't, blueroses! You've somehow managed to avoid this rather unfortunate zeitgeist, so here, ignorance really is bliss!
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#17re: Andrew 'Dice' Clay
Posted: 8/9/07 at 10:45pmI can't stand my Brooklyn neighbor.
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#18re: Andrew 'Dice' Clay
Posted: 8/9/07 at 11:09pm
Just to play devil's advocate, blueroses, you could say the same thing of Andy Kaufman's audiences back in the day, too. After all, a lot of people didn't realize his wrestling acts were staged.
And stay away from Larry The Cable Guy. Your IQ decreases by at least 10 points for every minute spent watching him.
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