Another track from MDNA, "Gang Bang", is leaked.

[tazber]

Posted: 3/8/12 at 4:30pm

Boring

[tazber]

Posted: 3/8/12 at 4:31pm

And another: "Love Spent"

[FindingNamo]

Posted: 3/9/12 at 12:52am

The "Scary As Hell!" quote for that movie the snippets are nestled among make them even funnier. "A Horror Classic!!"

Sooooooo, what's with the Barney Frank/Elmer Fudd pronunciation on the first song? "Be vewwwwy, vewwy quiet! Gang bang you'we dead shawt my wuvver in duh hed."

I read that Madonna's people have announced that she is too busy to do any promotion for the album. No interviews. No magazine covers. Too, too busy. I hope it's not true, because I'd kinda like to hear an explanation.

"I told them I was very busy and I had exactly three days so all my vocal tracks were going to have to be first takes."

Something like that would explain it all for me.

[Jay Lerner-Z]

Posted: 3/9/12 at 1:02am

Madonna must have some hold over you, FindingNamo - there's a fine line between love and hate, as somebody I can't remember quite who once said. You might fight your battle best with indifference.

[FindingNamo]

Posted: 3/9/12 at 1:35am

Yes, I have explained it many times. I lovvvvvvvvvvvvved her. Then I was over her. Please use the search function if you'd like even more details.

[JerseyGirl2]

Posted: 3/9/12 at 5:24am

Cher already did Bang Bang twice. Once in the 60s and once in the 80s.

[songanddanceman2]

Posted: 3/9/12 at 6:59am

Gang Bang is an awesome track, Love Spent is OK.

And Jay Lerner i agree with your Namo observation. I used to love George Michael but cant stand him now, i don't ever really talk about him though, unlike Namo's unhealthy obsession with Madonna *winks at Namo*

I think this is gonna be one of those albums that Madonna haters will try to bash (as per usual) but sadly for them the bottom line is it's a good album, critics are raving as are others who have heard it.

[tazber]

Posted: 3/9/12 at 8:25am

Your compulsive need to defend and lavish praise on anything she does is equally obsessive SADM.

Not trying to argue, just saying....

And really, if you could look at it objectively Madonna really isn't a viable artist anymore. She hits some benchmarks like sometimes debuting at #1 on a particular chart or what have you, but if you look behind the curtain her sales numbers are unimpressive.

Spin it however you want, but she hasn't sold the millions of copies per album that today's hotter artists regularly do.

Any investment made into the Madonna brand is based on the millions of people who attend her shows (and granted, they are Vegas style spectaculars). Which is why her current massive deal is a "360 contract". She doesn't need to have a smash record to make money.

And honestly, I'd be the first to jump on her bandwagon again if she made another good album. But I feel like she isn't even trying anymore. She used to be a creative trend-setter, now she's a lazy follower. Musically speaking at least.

Gang Bang is not in any any worthy of the Madonna I used to love. It's just a sub par beat with some fuzzy electronica that any DJ or dance artist could do just as well or better.

[songanddanceman2]

Posted: 3/9/12 at 9:17am

Tazbar i dont really care how she sells, as long as she's touring and making music i like then i i am happy. If you want to talk about sales though then yes in the states she does not do as well anymore, thats not the case with the rest of the world as everyone knows (though the average but fun Gimmie All Your Luvin has not done what it hoped). The states can adore her but the simple fact is that radio stations wont play songs (even great reviewed songs by her) because of her age. The rest of the world don't seem to care about her age when it comes to her music but the states does.

As for defending anything she does, bollocks. I can't stand many Madonna songs (most of Bedtime Stories except Human Nature, many songs on American Life, hated most of Like A Virgin etc). Her films make me want to cry (i like about 5 of them), the Children's book writing thing is boring and i wish the woman would pick an accent and stick to it. However if i like something i will defend it, the bashing Madonna bandwagon is so easy and sheep like that it makes me giggle, sorry dont want to be a part of that.

And if you dont like (the 1 min clip) you heard of Gang Bang then fine, thats your right. As for it not been worthy of the Madonna you used to love, all i have to say is maybe people should look forward rather than back, times change, music changes. I for one have heard the whole song (as well as I Don't Give A and Love Spent) and think Gang Bang is very inventive, a darkly intense song that builds to the point of insanity. I would much rather hear something like that than bloody Material Girl.

'Spin it however you want, but she hasn't sold the millions of copies per album that today's hotter artists regularly do'

Of course she does not, she has been around for 30 years, people move on, get older, stop listening to dance/trance. Young people have Gaga etc. However if an average album of hers can sell over 4 million worldwide (Hard Candy) and Confessions can sell over 12 million then i think it's safe to say she is still doing fine.



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[Unknown User]

Posted: 3/9/12 at 11:27am

Madonna's recent albums sell 4-12 million copies? That thought terrifies and bewilders me.

[FindingNamo]

Posted: 3/9/12 at 11:29am

I love the first sentence and then the last of your last post sanddman!

[songanddanceman2]

Posted: 3/9/12 at 11:38am

I was just responding to his post, he brought up the sales

[FindingNamo]

Posted: 3/9/12 at 12:13pm

But you bring up the sales all the time.

And that's fine. That's the thing about Madonna. She calls up the yin/yang in anybody who ever cared about her.

[Unknown User]

Posted: 3/9/12 at 12:18pm

SADM "International" or "Worldwide" sales figures are almost always totally made up. American sales figures are highly suspect, but the USA is the biggest music market in the world, so when someone tells you an album did 700,000 here but sold millions overseas, they are almost certainly lying.

In the 80's TVs were flooded with ads for records by Roger Whittaker and Boxcar Willie, each of whom was touted as selling "More records than the Beatles, worldwide!"

[songanddanceman2]

Posted: 3/9/12 at 12:30pm

lol @the international sales figures been made up.

So America kinda gets it right but the rest of the world and their official figures that are released are wrong because they can't count?

Im pretty sure for example that the UK can keep track of sales by an artist

Updated On: 3/9/12 at 12:30 PM

[FindingNamo]

Posted: 3/9/12 at 12:51pm

It's Soundscan in Britain too, no?

[tazber]

Posted: 3/9/12 at 12:58pm

I was just gonna say...isn't soundscan used in the UK too?

[Unknown User]

Posted: 3/9/12 at 1:06pm

You don't read very closely do you? I said the US figures were highly suspect as well.

And Namo I don't keep as close an eye on the charts as I used to- perhaps the UK has adapted soundscan. In any case, it is far harder to manipulate a chart now than it was in the CD days when Billboard was getting "data" from a handful of chains and then extrapolating that info into a guess at what nation-wide sales were.

Journalist Bill Wyman wrote a wonderful piece on the unbelievability of "Worldwide" sales as they pertained to Michael Jackson's "750 Million records" but it is now behind the Pay Wall at Wall Street Journal.

Updated On: 3/9/12 at 01:06 PM

[FindingNamo]

Posted: 3/9/12 at 1:10pm

The UK adapted Soundscan back when the US did.

[Mister Matt]

Posted: 3/9/12 at 1:13pm

Holy crap that Gang Bang snippet sounds AWFUL. The others I've heard range from fair to pretty good, but Gang Bang is like the fatty scum you hastily scrape off a fresh corned beef brisket. Get. It. AWAY.

[Unknown User]

Posted: 3/9/12 at 1:20pm

Here is a story that dissects the "World-wide sales" of Michael Jackson and references the Bill Wyman article I seek. I guess we'll have to wait a while until someone writes an article on Madonna's exaggerated sales claims.
Off the Wall tallies

[FindingNamo]

Posted: 3/9/12 at 1:24pm

Here's another tangentially related article that probably deserves its own thread. In this thread, it'll disappear faster than MDNA.


Of Monkees, Michael, and "Maria"—The History Of The Chart-Dominating, Lifestyle-Accessory Album

[Unknown User]

Posted: 3/9/12 at 1:32pm

All of the music critics are really LOVING 'Gang Bang'.

So it goes to show that you really need to listen to whole thing instead of making judgements based on a one minute processed clip through computer speakers.

[Jay Lerner-Z]

Posted: 3/9/12 at 1:42pm

I tried searching "FindingNamo" and "Madonna" but smoke started coming out of my computer, so I pulled the plug. Anyway, I wasn't trying to be snarky, just making a well-meant observation.

Critics are generally idiots - if you accept the good ones, that means you have to take the bad ones too...and who does that with artists they like?

[FindingNamo]

Posted: 3/9/12 at 2:08pm

Jay, specifically regarding the notion of the thin line between love and hate, I responded the way I did in order to say, "No kidding."

And I have written out The Story of Namo's Disenchantment with Madonna at least twice on BWW. Sorry if you missed it. If you would like to know the essence of it in order to be done with it, please see songanddanceman2's signature file.

The funny thing to me is, I am a prime candidate to be so blown away by a thrilling Madonna record that I wouldn't be able to deny it. That has never come. And this sub-par crap gets released and it's "She's BACK!", "Madonna is aiming for FUN this time!!!", "Back to basics on the dancefloor from Madonna!" all over again. It's funny to watch the cycle repeat over and over, and as long as the same memes keep surfacing, so will mine.

Because there is a thin line between love and hate.