BOYCOTT Kristin Chenoweth--she appears on The 700 Club? — Page 7
#152
Let me ask some of you this: Are Chenoweth's performing abilities any less meritorious the day AFTER she appeared on the 700 Club than they were on the day before? Of course not. Prior to her appearance with Pat Robertson, did you go to her shows, concerts, etc and buy her recordings on the basis of her beliefs or what viewpoint she endorsed? OF course not. You dug deep into your pockets and coughed it up because she entertained you, moved you, delighted you, whatever. On the basis of her perfomances ALONE. Artists (a word I distrust but it's the best we have) are humans like everyone else and have the right to be complex and unlikeable or wrong or different, just like the rest of us. It would be regrettable if she tortures kittens on the side or condemns gays to eternal perdition but, frankly, I couldn't care less. You don't want to buy her album? Fine. But I'm not looking to her as a moral icon. I want her to make me laugh and hit the E-flat at the end of GLITTER AND BE GAY, and when she does, I'm satisfied.
Posted: 4/4/05 at 8:42pm
Let me ask some of you this: Are Chenoweth's performing abilities any less meritorious the day AFTER she appeared on the 700 Club than they were on the day before? Of course not. Prior to her appearance with Pat Robertson, did you go to her shows, concerts, etc and buy her recordings on the basis of her beliefs or what viewpoint she endorsed? OF course not. You dug deep into your pockets and coughed it up because she entertained you, moved you, delighted you, whatever. On the basis of her perfomances ALONE. Artists (a word I distrust but it's the best we have) are humans like everyone else and have the right to be complex and unlikeable or wrong or different, just like the rest of us. It would be regrettable if she tortures kittens on the side or condemns gays to eternal perdition but, frankly, I couldn't care less. You don't want to buy her album? Fine. But I'm not looking to her as a moral icon. I want her to make me laugh and hit the E-flat at the end of GLITTER AND BE GAY, and when she does, I'm satisfied.
Updated On: 4/4/05 at 08:42 PM
#153
Posted: 4/4/05 at 8:44pm
Well, this means that we should boycott Barbara Streisand for cutting a Christmas album, Sherie Renee Scott for having a "christian" song on her album, and any other artist who thanks God on their cd.
Here is what I say:
SO WHAT????
Religion sucks, but if I hated everyone who supported religion, God, church, etc., well, then I would be a hermit who would want to boycott everyone on the face of this earth.
Here is what I say:
SO WHAT????
Religion sucks, but if I hated everyone who supported religion, God, church, etc., well, then I would be a hermit who would want to boycott everyone on the face of this earth.
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#154
Posted: 4/4/05 at 8:48pm
While I don't agree with their reasoning, these guys aren't upset that she supports Christianity, they are upset that she appears to be aligning herself with Pat Robertson.
#155
Posted: 4/4/05 at 8:48pm
I said I was sorry, Cheno fans I ask for forgiveness, especially from the Christians
Finish each day and be done with it. You have done what you could. Some blunders and absurdities no doubt crept in; forget them as soon as you can. Tomorrow is a new day; begin it well and serenely and with too high a spirit to be enbered with your old nonsense. ~ Emerson
#156
Posted: 4/4/05 at 8:54pm
And if they are really Christain, they will forgive you...
#157
Posted: 4/4/05 at 8:55pm
EXACTLY
Finish each day and be done with it. You have done what you could. Some blunders and absurdities no doubt crept in; forget them as soon as you can. Tomorrow is a new day; begin it well and serenely and with too high a spirit to be enbered with your old nonsense. ~ Emerson
#158
Posted: 4/4/05 at 9:02pm
I just wanted u all to know, that I was so guilt-ridden, like the good Catholic that I am, that I had to go back and remove the offending adjective from my initial post
Finish each day and be done with it. You have done what you could. Some blunders and absurdities no doubt crept in; forget them as soon as you can. Tomorrow is a new day; begin it well and serenely and with too high a spirit to be enbered with your old nonsense. ~ Emerson
#159
Posted: 4/4/05 at 9:31pm
they are upset that she appears to be aligning herself with Pat Robertson.
I sincerely hope this line was a joke. If not, then since when does appearing on a talk show mean you adopt all the views of the host?
This whole things is absolutely ridiculous and blown way out of proportion.
I sincerely hope this line was a joke. If not, then since when does appearing on a talk show mean you adopt all the views of the host?
This whole things is absolutely ridiculous and blown way out of proportion.
#160
Posted: 4/4/05 at 9:38pm
"since when does appearing on a talk show mean you adopt all the views of the host?"
Again, I don't personally believe that Kristin shares any of Pat Robertson's extreme views (I think it was just a bad call on her part), but I wouldn't refer to the 700 Club as just a "talk show" and Pat Robertson as just a "host."
Again, I don't personally believe that Kristin shares any of Pat Robertson's extreme views (I think it was just a bad call on her part), but I wouldn't refer to the 700 Club as just a "talk show" and Pat Robertson as just a "host."
#161
Posted: 4/4/05 at 10:28pm
Unfortunately, i don't have the luxury of discerning that very fine line between appearing on a religious zealots show, and not supporting that zealot's view. I've been gay-bashed. Ask Matthew Shepard--oh wait, you can't because he's dead, and his killers no doubt agree with:
“You know, one of the great misnomers in our society is the term `gay.’ That somebody who is involved in something that is leading to suicide, where the V.D. rate is 11 times that of others, which are almost driven and ashamed and fearful and confused and psychotic and all the others that we read about plaguing this part of our society. The term gay is the most serious misuse of the English language. They’re not gay, they’re very, very depressed and miserable.” - 700 Club, 5-6-82 (source: People for the American Way Foundation)
“You know, one of the great misnomers in our society is the term `gay.’ That somebody who is involved in something that is leading to suicide, where the V.D. rate is 11 times that of others, which are almost driven and ashamed and fearful and confused and psychotic and all the others that we read about plaguing this part of our society. The term gay is the most serious misuse of the English language. They’re not gay, they’re very, very depressed and miserable.” - 700 Club, 5-6-82 (source: People for the American Way Foundation)
'The Devil be hitting me!'--Whitney Houston
Updated On: 4/4/05 at 10:28 PM
#162
Posted: 4/4/05 at 10:39pm
so because Kirstin goes on a talk show means she's going to kill a person because he's gay?? Come on, she can go on the show without agreeing with Pat Roberts! This thread is so ridiculous.
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#163
Posted: 4/4/05 at 10:45pm
Yes this thread is ridiculous, let's let it die a quiet death. I believe we've all said what we wanted to say, and nobody's opinions and rantings are going to change the way others feel.
It is over and done. Let's please Move On.
It is over and done. Let's please Move On.
#164
Posted: 4/4/05 at 10:45pm
I'm sure she doesn't want to kill me. But she supports a show which spews hatred and that has, no doubt, contributed to the killing/bashing of gays.
'The Devil be hitting me!'--Whitney Houston
#165
Posted: 4/4/05 at 11:01pm
Honestly, She is ONLY supporting her album. While I do not endorse Pat Robertson and the way he chooses to judge others, I am a Christian. I have friends who happen to be homosexual and do not love them any less than my friends who happen to heterosexual. And if Kristin were on this board to defend herself, she would say the exact same thing. But wait...she did say this in her 700 CLUB INTERVIEW....Kristin herself said "I think it's very important as Christians that we keep an open mind and be respectful of all people."
So OBVIOUSLY she doesn't share Pat Robertson's views and even if she did, she would not express them in the way that he does. End of discussion.
So OBVIOUSLY she doesn't share Pat Robertson's views and even if she did, she would not express them in the way that he does. End of discussion.
#166
Posted: 4/4/05 at 11:10pm
It's so funny to me that those who think they somehow need to defend Christianity here see those of us who have expressed concern about Kristin's appearance with Robertson as hateful. Once again, noone is attacking Christianity here, or even Chenoweth's talents, as limited as they may be. And noone is saying that Chenoweth actually condones what Robertson says. Shes saying to me that she just doesn't care that her actions might disturb her gay fans, as long as she sells records.
Do you really think she was unaware her appearance on his show wouldn't have repercussions? Do you really think she doesn't know who Pat Robertson is and what he stands for? Of course she does. But she weighed the gay fans she would lose against the new fans she would make and she ended up selling herself out to the devil. Sort of like that Faust guy....
Do you really think she was unaware her appearance on his show wouldn't have repercussions? Do you really think she doesn't know who Pat Robertson is and what he stands for? Of course she does. But she weighed the gay fans she would lose against the new fans she would make and she ended up selling herself out to the devil. Sort of like that Faust guy....
#167
Posted: 4/4/05 at 11:11pm
I'm not sure if certain people's refusal to see the real issue here is a result of youth, just plain denseness or a willfull ignorance of the difference between mainstream Christianity and the "religious" right as personified by Pat Robertson.
Pal Joey has done a great job of posting some of Robertson's views on gays. Can it be true that so many people have forgotten that, the day after 9/11, Robertson went on the 700 CLUB and blamed 9/11 on gays, lesbians, feminists et al? Can you truly not see how Robertson's political agenda and that of his allies are creating anti-gay legislation across the nation? Kansas today will probably ratify an anti-gay marriage amendment tonight. Can NO ONE here see the true implications of the whole Schiavo case, and how the "religious" right wishes to intrude into our private lives, and using gays as a punching bag is a convenient way of getting their agenda done? Gay people are unfortunately under attack. This is why there is so much anger here.
If Chenoweth went on "The Hour of Power" with Robert Schuller, there would have been no protest. But she didn't. She went on the 700 Club. Whether she truly believes in his agenda or not is immaterial. Many Germans probably didn't believe in killing 6 million jews, but they are still dead. Frankly, considering the stakes, some people won't give a hoot how good a performer she is. If people want to organize a boycott, this is free speech - just like when the "religious" right organized a boycott of the advertisers of "Ellen."
And as for Clydemestra's scream of victimhood - this is a cynical but effective tactic by the religious right whenever someone says ANYTHING that puts them on the defensive. "Why do you hate christians?" No one has expressed that they hate anyone purely for being Christian. It has been stated over and over that there have been no statements against Christianity, but reason will never appeal to such people - they believe they are being "crucified" because of their beliefs. Clyde - no one has expressed hatred toward you - why the defensiveness?
FYI - The Nazis also believed that the jews were involved in a world-wide conspiracy to own all the banks, and used this reason to build concentration camps. Fascists always paint themselves as victims in order to stir the emotions of their followers. For more information, go to http://dneiwert.blogspot.com/ and click on the link in the upper-left hand corner - The Rise of Pseudo-Fascism in the US.
Pal Joey has done a great job of posting some of Robertson's views on gays. Can it be true that so many people have forgotten that, the day after 9/11, Robertson went on the 700 CLUB and blamed 9/11 on gays, lesbians, feminists et al? Can you truly not see how Robertson's political agenda and that of his allies are creating anti-gay legislation across the nation? Kansas today will probably ratify an anti-gay marriage amendment tonight. Can NO ONE here see the true implications of the whole Schiavo case, and how the "religious" right wishes to intrude into our private lives, and using gays as a punching bag is a convenient way of getting their agenda done? Gay people are unfortunately under attack. This is why there is so much anger here.
If Chenoweth went on "The Hour of Power" with Robert Schuller, there would have been no protest. But she didn't. She went on the 700 Club. Whether she truly believes in his agenda or not is immaterial. Many Germans probably didn't believe in killing 6 million jews, but they are still dead. Frankly, considering the stakes, some people won't give a hoot how good a performer she is. If people want to organize a boycott, this is free speech - just like when the "religious" right organized a boycott of the advertisers of "Ellen."
And as for Clydemestra's scream of victimhood - this is a cynical but effective tactic by the religious right whenever someone says ANYTHING that puts them on the defensive. "Why do you hate christians?" No one has expressed that they hate anyone purely for being Christian. It has been stated over and over that there have been no statements against Christianity, but reason will never appeal to such people - they believe they are being "crucified" because of their beliefs. Clyde - no one has expressed hatred toward you - why the defensiveness?
FYI - The Nazis also believed that the jews were involved in a world-wide conspiracy to own all the banks, and used this reason to build concentration camps. Fascists always paint themselves as victims in order to stir the emotions of their followers. For more information, go to http://dneiwert.blogspot.com/ and click on the link in the upper-left hand corner - The Rise of Pseudo-Fascism in the US.
Updated On: 4/4/05 at 11:11 PM
#168
Posted: 4/4/05 at 11:16pm
Hey Guys,
Just wanted to extended my apologies for my earlier rantings. I get a little long winded and passionate. I love this board and the freedom we are given. It was a heinous day at work, I saw the boycott notice and that was it! I am not taking back anything I said, but I am sorry you guys caught my 'lecture.' I guess, on topic, I'll support Kristin. I come down on the side of, it's business...afterall, if Ozzy could go to a Bush thing! LOL. I mean, I can't speak for Kristin, but I'm sure she's getting crap from both sides. The ultra conservative Christians...more specifically Baptists (which was her denomination) are probably thinking 'how can she call herself Christian and align herself with homosexuals.' Poor woman...she's just trying to do her thing. Again...cutting myself off, to save you all from another rant. Thanks again for all the great opinions heard here...very interesting.
Just wanted to extended my apologies for my earlier rantings. I get a little long winded and passionate. I love this board and the freedom we are given. It was a heinous day at work, I saw the boycott notice and that was it! I am not taking back anything I said, but I am sorry you guys caught my 'lecture.' I guess, on topic, I'll support Kristin. I come down on the side of, it's business...afterall, if Ozzy could go to a Bush thing! LOL. I mean, I can't speak for Kristin, but I'm sure she's getting crap from both sides. The ultra conservative Christians...more specifically Baptists (which was her denomination) are probably thinking 'how can she call herself Christian and align herself with homosexuals.' Poor woman...she's just trying to do her thing. Again...cutting myself off, to save you all from another rant. Thanks again for all the great opinions heard here...very interesting.
#169
Posted: 4/4/05 at 11:17pm
"If Chenoweth went on "The Hour of Power" with Robert Schuller, there would have been no protest."
I'd believe that when I saw it.
I'd believe that when I saw it.
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#170
Posted: 4/4/05 at 11:33pm
For the record, I have great respect for Dr. Robert Schuller and his Hour of Power. I think he is a deeply spiritual man and a great humanitarian, a man who loves all people, just as Jesus did. I had the opportunity once to tell him so.
Not so Pat Robertson.
Not so Pat Robertson.
#171
Posted: 4/4/05 at 11:37pm
In the end, we all have freedom of choice - for now... I think people should have a right to their religion, just as people have a right to the pursuit of happiness, as stated in the Declaration of Independence. But people calling themselves "christians" want to take away these rights from Americans. Many people see the 700 Club as more of a political show than a religious show. The religious right just used a poor woman in a vegetative state to try and increase their power. Now they aim to kill the filabuster in the Senate and end the independent judiciary - go to http://www.johnkerry.com/petition/usatoday.php?source=5120 to read more.
There are many more serious issues than whether or not Chenoweth went on the 700 Club, but in in the context of where America is today, it certainly is like spitting in the face of her gay fans.
There are many more serious issues than whether or not Chenoweth went on the 700 Club, but in in the context of where America is today, it certainly is like spitting in the face of her gay fans.
#172
Posted: 4/4/05 at 11:39pm
Everyone can stop fretting over this. Boycott away (which is your right). I just purchased 500 copies, so Kristin's covered!
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#173
Posted: 4/4/05 at 11:46pm
Oh wait, I thought it was Kristin Kreuk, from SMALLVILLE. I don't even like that other Kristin. I'm sending them back!
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#174
Posted: 4/4/05 at 11:47pm
Someone who actually watched Kristin on the 700 Club already posted that Kristin said she felt all Christians should keep an open mind and not judge other people. IMO, that already shows that she disagrees with Robertson on that issue. The fact that she openly said that on his show makes her appearing on the show better for me.
I just wish people would have waited to hear if she addressed the issue before condeming her and accusing her of supporting the evils of Robertson.
I just wish people would have waited to hear if she addressed the issue before condeming her and accusing her of supporting the evils of Robertson.
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#175
Posted: 4/4/05 at 11:52pm
Are your kidding? Wait until people heard what she said and actually watched it for themselves?? That would take time away from being judgemental and casting the first stone! A favorite pastime here.
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